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Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
July 24 2014 09:55 GMT
#119441
Puppet master was fun.
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
July 24 2014 10:31 GMT
#119442
puppet master + silhouette plz

also root sucks ass
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
July 24 2014 10:34 GMT
#119443
On July 24 2014 15:07 NB wrote:
ROOTgaming new team went 0-2 vs Pokebunny's team(Hulk Hota)
https://cevo.com/event/dota2/match/28992/

http://dotabuff.com/matches/793955568
http://dotabuff.com/matches/794025273

Thoughts?

lol'd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4557 Posts
July 24 2014 11:04 GMT
#119444
On July 24 2014 15:07 NB wrote:
ROOTgaming new team went 0-2 vs Pokebunny's team(Hulk Hota)
https://cevo.com/event/dota2/match/28992/

http://dotabuff.com/matches/793955568
http://dotabuff.com/matches/794025273

Thoughts?


Hmm, either HH got a lot better since the LPCL, or ROOT is a complete joke.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42412 Posts
July 24 2014 11:06 GMT
#119445
On July 24 2014 18:04 teapoted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 11:49 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Valve Planning New Original Heroes for Dota 2 - IGN

Confirming obvious suspicions, Valve’s Erik Johnson told IGN that, yes, Valve plans to create new Heroes for Dota 2. When asked about adding new Valve-created characters once Dota 2 catches up to the original DotA's huge character roster, Valve’s Erik Johnson said, “Yes. We just keep going. Dota never stops."


Interested in how this will be received and how it will affect DotA 1.
I'm quite sure icefrog works for Valve.

Thus, Valve has already made new heroes.


Well i hope so. Inb4 Valve decides to charge for the new heroes.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 24 2014 11:10 GMT
#119446
On July 24 2014 20:06 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 18:04 teapoted wrote:
On July 24 2014 11:49 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Valve Planning New Original Heroes for Dota 2 - IGN

Confirming obvious suspicions, Valve’s Erik Johnson told IGN that, yes, Valve plans to create new Heroes for Dota 2. When asked about adding new Valve-created characters once Dota 2 catches up to the original DotA's huge character roster, Valve’s Erik Johnson said, “Yes. We just keep going. Dota never stops."


Interested in how this will be received and how it will affect DotA 1.
I'm quite sure icefrog works for Valve.

Thus, Valve has already made new heroes.


Well i hope so. Inb4 Valve decides to charge for the new heroes.


They cheat by making you install steam. Its like putting a Gamestop in your house and then making you click through the sales on the way to dota. Its like free drinks at the casino.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 24 2014 11:19 GMT
#119447
I wish Valve made a MMO; I had an idea for a game where there 4 regions in a world and they had different commodities and currencies and we'd create a mini-economy.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
July 24 2014 11:20 GMT
#119448
wait so....another year of not knowing/seeing the true face of icefrog???
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
makmeatt
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
2024 Posts
July 24 2014 12:01 GMT
#119449
On a side note, I find it funny people keep mentioning Valve like they had a saying in the matter of balancing/developing gameplay.
WC3 DotA hasn't been updated for 6.81 yet and I doubt it will. Certainly the two won't diverge, so I expect it won't be supported anymore/much longer. Besides, Kaolin/Nerif have been introduced in 6.78, so Icefrog is definitely working on new character design when he gets an idea.
"Silver Edge can't break my hope" - Kryptt 2016 || "Chrono is not a debuff, you just get rekt" - Guru 2016
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
July 24 2014 12:47 GMT
#119450
On July 24 2014 20:04 Laurens wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 15:07 NB wrote:
ROOTgaming new team went 0-2 vs Pokebunny's team(Hulk Hota)
https://cevo.com/event/dota2/match/28992/

http://dotabuff.com/matches/793955568
http://dotabuff.com/matches/794025273

Thoughts?


Hmm, either HH got a lot better since the LPCL, or ROOT is a complete joke.

it just seems that root cannot close a game, so a bit of both
also root is a joke
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-24 13:33:53
July 24 2014 13:25 GMT
#119451
On July 24 2014 17:57 ahswtini wrote:
Port puppet master pls


I used to love that hero, especially back when Whiplash also gave a dmg increase and you could 1 shot people by stacking it with crit, voodoo puppet, and/or assassin's shroud.
Logo
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
July 24 2014 13:32 GMT
#119452
Dota has to be disgustingly profitable on it's own, the fact that it's making a lot of people install steam is a cherry on the top, not the most important aspect I think.

I think IceFrog is probably let DotA go. Then he's either going to designate it to another person, who's going to keep making new versions, which will slide into obscurity and die over time. Or maybe he's not going to designate anyone and there will be multiple community versions.
super gg
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 24 2014 13:39 GMT
#119453
On July 24 2014 22:32 cecek wrote:
Dota has to be disgustingly profitable on it's own, the fact that it's making a lot of people install steam is a cherry on the top, not the most important aspect I think.

I think IceFrog is probably let DotA go. Then he's either going to designate it to another person, who's going to keep making new versions, which will slide into obscurity and die over time. Or maybe he's not going to designate anyone and there will be multiple community versions.


It's the other way around I would presume. Dota 2 ushers in what TF2 crowned: people to install Steam and play TF2.

Dota 2 refines what TF2 offered as well as used as a better marketing platform because of its popular genre appeal (and younger age right now)
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
July 24 2014 13:42 GMT
#119454
On July 24 2014 22:39 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 22:32 cecek wrote:
Dota has to be disgustingly profitable on it's own, the fact that it's making a lot of people install steam is a cherry on the top, not the most important aspect I think.

I think IceFrog is probably let DotA go. Then he's either going to designate it to another person, who's going to keep making new versions, which will slide into obscurity and die over time. Or maybe he's not going to designate anyone and there will be multiple community versions.


It's the other way around I would presume. Dota 2 ushers in what TF2 crowned: people to install Steam and play TF2.

Dota 2 refines what TF2 offered as well as used as a better marketing platform because of its popular genre appeal (and younger age right now)

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I think the original reason behind making Dota 2 free to play (or just making the game in the first place) was to make people install steam. But now it's gotten so big that the amount money it's making Valve from microtransactions outshines the benefits of bringing people to Steam.
super gg
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 24 2014 13:47 GMT
#119455
I don't think we can clearly say that Dota has been "disgustingly profitable" over its life time. I think after TI1 and TI2 the game was likely a loss leader to get people to install steam. TI3 is the clear turning point for Dota when the money started to come in like crazy and they figured out the workshop/chest stuff. Profitability takes a long time and people would be shocked at the costs of even creating a single hero in dota(from man hours on animation, art, sounds, effects).

But no company outside of maybe Nintendo has the unlimited cash reserves to just iterate on a product as endlessly as Valve has. Which makes it great that they love Doto as much as we do.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-24 14:00:56
July 24 2014 14:00 GMT
#119456
[image loading]

did valve do this on purpose

(in my inventory, the player cards i have)

edit: whatever cards
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
July 24 2014 14:02 GMT
#119457
On July 24 2014 22:47 Plansix wrote:
I don't think we can clearly say that Dota has been "disgustingly profitable" over its life time. I think after TI1 and TI2 the game was likely a loss leader to get people to install steam. TI3 is the clear turning point for Dota when the money started to come in like crazy and they figured out the workshop/chest stuff. Profitability takes a long time and people would be shocked at the costs of even creating a single hero in dota(from man hours on animation, art, sounds, effects).

But no company outside of maybe Nintendo has the unlimited cash reserves to just iterate on a product as endlessly as Valve has. Which makes it great that they love Doto as much as we do.

Well, Valve released TF 2 numbers that showed that the game was making a ton of money. And Dota 2 is in a different league in regards to the amount of people who play the game, but with the same business model.
super gg
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 24 2014 14:02 GMT
#119458
They are telling you to play more PL. So much more PL. Become the hero you were meant to be. Embrace the rat and become the Rat Lord.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 24 2014 14:15 GMT
#119459
On July 24 2014 23:02 cecek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 24 2014 22:47 Plansix wrote:
I don't think we can clearly say that Dota has been "disgustingly profitable" over its life time. I think after TI1 and TI2 the game was likely a loss leader to get people to install steam. TI3 is the clear turning point for Dota when the money started to come in like crazy and they figured out the workshop/chest stuff. Profitability takes a long time and people would be shocked at the costs of even creating a single hero in dota(from man hours on animation, art, sounds, effects).

But no company outside of maybe Nintendo has the unlimited cash reserves to just iterate on a product as endlessly as Valve has. Which makes it great that they love Doto as much as we do.

Well, Valve released TF 2 numbers that showed that the game was making a ton of money. And Dota 2 is in a different league in regards to the amount of people who play the game, but with the same business model.


Agreed and I think that is one of the main reasons why Valve got into Dota 2. Also, just from what I know from following video games for so long, I doubt TF2 brings in huge profits for Valve. For the same amount of money that they spend on TF2, they could likely make a boxed product that would be more profitable. But since TF2 is a gateway to steam and earns them a lot of good will with the consumers, it makes sense for them to support it. But only because of steam and the profits they get from steam.

People often forget when Valve announced they were making Dota 2 that it was meet was a large amount of skepticism from a lot of outside press and community. It was only due to Valves very smart handling of the game that made it the success we know today. But they are the only company that can release a game with over 100 heroes and say “its all free, unless you want sweet hats, which we give away anyways”.

Now Valve just needs to make good on the crazy Oculus rift Dota viewing mod they were teasing, where you watch Dota in VR like it’s on a table top, all in 3D. I demand to live in that future.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
July 24 2014 14:24 GMT
#119460
On July 24 2014 23:00 Targe wrote:
[image loading]

did valve do this on purpose

(in my inventory, the player cards i have)

edit: whatever cards

TRADING cards my good friend
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
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