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wairai
Profile Joined May 2012
Malaysia1000 Posts
July 17 2014 10:18 GMT
#118121
Never forget blink+MoM gaiz. Surprise buttseck all days
Yungin' Leanin' with Pourple Drink
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
July 17 2014 10:19 GMT
#118122
On July 17 2014 18:55 Torte de Lini wrote:
I think MoM on Drow is a shit item; there I said it.

Same with Sniper. It's doubling-down on their weakness, I hate it.

Is it doubling down on their weakness, or is it playing to their strength and amplifying their strongest aspect?
super gg
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
July 17 2014 10:23 GMT
#118123
On July 17 2014 19:19 cecek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2014 18:55 Torte de Lini wrote:
I think MoM on Drow is a shit item; there I said it.

Same with Sniper. It's doubling-down on their weakness, I hate it.

Is it doubling down on their weakness, or is it playing to their strength and amplifying their strongest aspect?

It's both, hence you need to be able to execute well.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 17 2014 10:24 GMT
#118124
I put it next to MoM Slark and MoM Riki
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
July 17 2014 10:33 GMT
#118125
On July 17 2014 19:24 Torte de Lini wrote:
I put it next to MoM Slark and MoM Riki

riki and slark need to be close to hit an enemy, drow and esp. sniper can a quite a ways away and still do dmg
DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
July 17 2014 10:34 GMT
#118126
Straight loss count goes to 10...
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
July 17 2014 10:41 GMT
#118127
On July 17 2014 19:24 Torte de Lini wrote:
I put it next to MoM Slark and MoM Riki

its definitely better than those too
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
rudimentalfeelthelov
Profile Joined December 2013
Finland268 Posts
July 17 2014 10:49 GMT
#118128
Does anybody know what could be the reason that every small 200MB patch it takes 40 minutes for my dota to update itself although by the size of the patch and the speed and specifics of my internet and computer it should take less than a minute?
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
July 17 2014 10:52 GMT
#118129
MoM Slark is ok I guess, because his ult keeps him decently safe. MoM riki is a deathwish against any semi-organised team.

The thing with Drow blink and MoM is she is ranged, and highly mobile, and can use those to stay out of trouble while dealing damage. Blink mom drow is also a very good split pusher. Slark and Riki need to get stuck in, where they can't really position themselves to avoid damage.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Animzor
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden2154 Posts
July 17 2014 10:54 GMT
#118130
On July 17 2014 19:49 rudimentalfeelthelov wrote:
Does anybody know what could be the reason that every small 200MB patch it takes 40 minutes for my dota to update itself although by the size of the patch and the speed and specifics of my internet and computer it should take less than a minute?


Same here. Extremely annoying.
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
July 17 2014 10:56 GMT
#118131
On July 17 2014 19:49 rudimentalfeelthelov wrote:
Does anybody know what could be the reason that every small 200MB patch it takes 40 minutes for my dota to update itself although by the size of the patch and the speed and specifics of my internet and computer it should take less than a minute?

What kind of hard disk do you have? One with a fast I/O, a ssd drive? A lot of the time is spent writing the files to your disk after they are downloaded. You can tell when this is happening because it stops showing a download rate. On my laptop, with a pretty slow hard disk, this also causes it to slow down a lot.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
rudimentalfeelthelov
Profile Joined December 2013
Finland268 Posts
July 17 2014 11:01 GMT
#118132
On July 17 2014 19:56 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2014 19:49 rudimentalfeelthelov wrote:
Does anybody know what could be the reason that every small 200MB patch it takes 40 minutes for my dota to update itself although by the size of the patch and the speed and specifics of my internet and computer it should take less than a minute?

What kind of hard disk do you have? One with a fast I/O, a ssd drive? A lot of the time is spent writing the files to your disk after they are downloaded. You can tell when this is happening because it stops showing a download rate. On my laptop, with a pretty slow hard disk, this also causes it to slow down a lot.


I don't think it's a problem with hard disk because everything else I try to install get's done almost immediately, the problem is solely with steam updates
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-17 11:06:45
July 17 2014 11:06 GMT
#118133
On July 17 2014 20:01 rudimentalfeelthelov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2014 19:56 ahswtini wrote:
On July 17 2014 19:49 rudimentalfeelthelov wrote:
Does anybody know what could be the reason that every small 200MB patch it takes 40 minutes for my dota to update itself although by the size of the patch and the speed and specifics of my internet and computer it should take less than a minute?

What kind of hard disk do you have? One with a fast I/O, a ssd drive? A lot of the time is spent writing the files to your disk after they are downloaded. You can tell when this is happening because it stops showing a download rate. On my laptop, with a pretty slow hard disk, this also causes it to slow down a lot.


I don't think it's a problem with hard disk because everything else I try to install get's done almost immediately, the problem is solely with steam updates

lots of people have steam updates apparently pause for a while then restart (bad wording) get going again because of their hard disk
next time you install an update check the download counter to see if youre constantly downloading data throughout or whether its apparently pausing at times
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
July 17 2014 11:09 GMT
#118134
On July 17 2014 20:01 rudimentalfeelthelov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2014 19:56 ahswtini wrote:
On July 17 2014 19:49 rudimentalfeelthelov wrote:
Does anybody know what could be the reason that every small 200MB patch it takes 40 minutes for my dota to update itself although by the size of the patch and the speed and specifics of my internet and computer it should take less than a minute?

What kind of hard disk do you have? One with a fast I/O, a ssd drive? A lot of the time is spent writing the files to your disk after they are downloaded. You can tell when this is happening because it stops showing a download rate. On my laptop, with a pretty slow hard disk, this also causes it to slow down a lot.


I don't think it's a problem with hard disk because everything else I try to install get's done almost immediately, the problem is solely with steam updates

If you don't have a ssd, then chance are it's your hard disk. Trust me on this, I know it only happens with Steam updates, but that's just the way Steam works.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
July 17 2014 11:13 GMT
#118135
On July 17 2014 20:09 ahswtini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2014 20:01 rudimentalfeelthelov wrote:
On July 17 2014 19:56 ahswtini wrote:
On July 17 2014 19:49 rudimentalfeelthelov wrote:
Does anybody know what could be the reason that every small 200MB patch it takes 40 minutes for my dota to update itself although by the size of the patch and the speed and specifics of my internet and computer it should take less than a minute?

What kind of hard disk do you have? One with a fast I/O, a ssd drive? A lot of the time is spent writing the files to your disk after they are downloaded. You can tell when this is happening because it stops showing a download rate. On my laptop, with a pretty slow hard disk, this also causes it to slow down a lot.


I don't think it's a problem with hard disk because everything else I try to install get's done almost immediately, the problem is solely with steam updates

If you don't have a ssd, then chance are it's your hard disk. Trust me on this, I know it only happens with Steam updates, but that's just the way Steam works.

ssd master race
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
July 17 2014 11:15 GMT
#118136
On July 17 2014 19:15 Erasme wrote:
only buy mom when you're far behind or far ahead


this french player knows stuffs
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
July 17 2014 11:26 GMT
#118137
Steam will never have you download patches right after installing a game(unlike many standalone launchers) but a side effect to that is the patching process is very hard drive heavy because the files get modified on a very deep level.
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 17 2014 11:42 GMT
#118138
On July 17 2014 20:15 BurningSera wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2014 19:15 Erasme wrote:
only buy mom when you're far behind or far ahead


this french player knows stuffs


In that sense, aren't there other items you can buy in the predicaments?
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
July 17 2014 11:52 GMT
#118139
midas!
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
July 17 2014 11:56 GMT
#118140
MoM only becomes a liability when you're getting attacked which Drow shouldn't be allowing to happen anyway. It's just a way of upping the ante and making fights everything or nothing affairs, which is where Drow is strongest. Of course if you don't pull things off properly you're screwed, but with Drow you're almost certainly going to be punished for a mistake without MoM too.
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