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Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

July 02 2014 14:57 GMT

#116061

On July 02 2014 23:54 teapoted wrote:
What I'm saying is I think he will play for Fnatic or not at all.

While I agree with you 100%, that's definitely not the right interpretation of what you actually said.

cecek

Czech Republic18921 Posts

July 02 2014 16:13 GMT

#116062

http://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/29mvd0/interviewgerman_ulrich_schulze_on_esl_one_more/

ESL one apparently a financial success. Pretty cool. The interview is in german, but the first comment is a full translation.

teapoted

United Kingdom24425 Posts

July 02 2014 16:21 GMT

#116063

Well if they basically broke even on ticket sales alone I have to imagine it was more successful than most events.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

July 02 2014 16:23 GMT

#116064

That's really cool to hear although some of that reddit math is ridiculous (they clearly stated earlier that they make almost nothing from compendium sales after prize pool contributions, compensation to workshop item creators, etc).

Although, you certainly need to be a sizeable organization to front over half a million euros just to run an event.

cecek

Czech Republic18921 Posts

July 02 2014 16:27 GMT

#116065

Do they get all of the money from each ticket sale? I thought there was some sort of a split between them and the venue or something. But you're right, they still sold a lot of tickets and with the solid sponsors they had, it was probably obvious that they made profit.

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

July 02 2014 16:30 GMT

#116066

I would have assumed that they simply rented the venue for a flat fee since if I was the venue I'd be far more interested in a concrete sum of money than I would be in tying my revenues to an outside organization's success or failure.

And I dunno about third parties like ticketmaster (or whatever the EU equivalent is) because I dunno how they sold their tickets, but valve's TI tickets were $99 + ticketmaster fees so the cited amount all went to valve.

SKC

Brazil18828 Posts

July 02 2014 16:30 GMT

#116067

On July 03 2014 01:27 cecek wrote:
Do they get all of the money from each ticket sale? I thought there was some sort of a split between them and the venue or something. But you're right, they still sold a lot of tickets and with the solid sponsors they had, it was probably obvious that they made profit.

They can just rent it for a fixed cost. Noone knows the specifics of their income or expenses, so you can't really do any real math.Trying to do anything more precise is useless, but simply the fact that ticket sales ~= expenses is a good sign. Just don't take it any further than that.

Spicy_Curry

United States10573 Posts

July 02 2014 16:33 GMT

#116068

I wonder how much casters make per gig. I would assume 2-4k each?

teapoted

United Kingdom24425 Posts

July 02 2014 16:36 GMT

#116069

That's about the number I've heard before for the more prominent casters. (I mean probably people like day9 is a different story)

Maybe they make more now though, it's not exactly a fantastic number.

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

July 02 2014 16:48 GMT

#116070

On July 03 2014 01:33 Spicy_Curry wrote:
I wonder how much casters make per gig. I would assume 2-4k each?

It's negotiable per company. Some range from 2 to 7-8k

Sn0_Man

Tebellong44238 Posts

July 02 2014 16:48 GMT

#116071

I mean very few events would see less than 4 caster/analysts these days. If you paid 5K each thats 20 grand just for casting talent. That isn't cheap, although obivously a $200,000 tournament in a stadium can afford that much better than a $50,000 dollar tournament can.

Plus you probably have to fly them out etc as well...

PS: I wonder if some organizations skim some off of their caster's individual work.

teapoted

United Kingdom24425 Posts

July 02 2014 16:54 GMT

#116072

Well in this case ESL also have some sort of deal with joinDota to cover their stuff. So they presumably have something more comprehensive for the majority of people there. (except for mad/merlini/synd)

andyrau

13015 Posts

July 02 2014 16:59 GMT

#116073

casters are the voice and sometimes the face of a tournament
giving them that sort of compensation to match their contribution, even if it's unintended, is decent I think.

SKC

Brazil18828 Posts

July 02 2014 17:02 GMT

#116074

On July 03 2014 01:59 andyrau wrote:
casters are the voice and sometimes the face of a tournament
giving them that sort of compensation to match their contribution, even if it's unintended, is decent I think.

I don't think Dota has an issue with over(or under)paying casters. People complained a lot about that in SC2, at least early SC2, that casters were bigger personalities than players and that it was more important to have a good caster than good players in an event, and the amount of money they got. But in Dota as much as people can complain about casters, teams are what make people watch, and the prize money has grown quite a bit.

teapoted

United Kingdom24425 Posts

July 02 2014 17:05 GMT

#116075

Yeah, casters really haven't been the ones to pull in numbers since like 2012, as long as they have someone decent that's fine.

hfglgg

Germany5372 Posts

July 02 2014 17:15 GMT

#116076

given that esl provided absolutely nothing at the event bar the bare minimum, everything else than a massive success would be very very very bad for esport as a whole.

teapoted

United Kingdom24425 Posts

July 02 2014 17:46 GMT

#116077

What exactly do you expect at a stadium.