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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
On April 18 2014 08:23 Elyvilon wrote: Isn't there a SEA qualifier? I don't know much about the SEA scene but it seems like it would be hard to find 8 teams in it that are better than Zephyr. Zephyr regularly loses to like, t3/t2 SEA teams. lol. | ||
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Talron
Germany7651 Posts
On April 18 2014 07:31 Unleashing wrote: They didn't really predict the game dying but the e-sports side of it is getting over-saturated to the point where it's a bubble that's ready to burst. I don't completely disagree with it, i'd like fewer but bigger things. Same has been said last year and we're still here, despite the scene growing. If you look at it: There are even more tournaments, it's just that a large portion of the viewerbase only watch the major ones. But it's moving towards the fewer, but bigger things, more than a shitton of small stuff. In the end we all decide for ourselves, what's worth watching or not. Usually it looks like this: Easy 100k+ viewers: LAN finals. MLG, SL, DH, ESL one, WPC, G-League, G-1, ECL and maybe even The Summit and so on. Around 100k: final portion for major online tournaments like MLG TKO, D2CL, D2L etc. or Tiebreaker matches for said LAN events or the pre-online-portion of said events, should the match feature feature some of the big names. [A], C9, DK, iG, Na´Vi etc. 10-50k: Rest of those major online tournaments. With matches, which feature less popular teams sometimes even going below that 10k mark. Also has to do with time / timezone of that match. Sub 10k: KDL, ADL, jDL, Inaugural, Fragbite Masters etc. Not sure how things are over the the superior MOBA camp, but I like the way we have our stuff. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On April 18 2014 09:12 Talron wrote: Same has been said last year and we're still here, despite the scene growing. If you look at it: There are even more tournaments, it's just that a large portion of the viewerbase only watch the major ones. But it's moving towards the fewer, but bigger things, more than a shitton of small stuff. In the end we all decide for ourselves, what's worth watching or not. Usually it looks like this: Easy 100k+ viewers: LAN finals. MLG, SL, DH, ESL one, WPC, G-League, G-1, ECL and maybe even The Summit and so on. Around 100k: final portion for major online tournaments like MLG TKO, D2CL, D2L etc. or Tiebreaker matches for said LAN events or the pre-online-portion of said events, should the match feature feature some of the big names. [A], C9, DK, iG, Na´Vi etc. 10-50k: Rest of those major online tournaments. With matches, which feature less popular teams sometimes even going below that 10k mark. Also has to do with time / timezone of that match. Sub 10k: KDL, ADL, jDL, Inaugural, Fragbite Masters etc. Not sure how things are over the the superior MOBA camp, but I like the way we have our stuff. professional sports are run similarly with concentrated leagues, even LoL keeps it singular. if dota2 was going to get bigger then there will inevitably be slimming down in amount of leagues and games to watch to make it easier on the viewers and clearer to the sponsors | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
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Hagen0
Germany765 Posts
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trifecta
United States6795 Posts
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Sprouter
United States1724 Posts
On April 18 2014 09:16 rabidch wrote: Dota 2 is reaching that point SC2 was 2 years ago when there streams on all the time. Monetization of DotaTV is real though. SL sold ~2800 tickets today.professional sports are run similarly with concentrated leagues, even LoL keeps it singular. if dota2 was going to get bigger then there will inevitably be slimming down in amount of leagues and games to watch to make it easier on the viewers and clearer to the sponsors | ||
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Kirsed
9380 Posts
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Talron
Germany7651 Posts
On April 18 2014 09:16 rabidch wrote: professional sports are run similarly with concentrated leagues, even LoL keeps it singular. if dota2 was going to get bigger then there will inevitably be slimming down in amount of leagues and games to watch to make it easier on the viewers and clearer to the sponsors Well of course, if things are big enough, having one huge thing just like in football for Bundesliga or Premier League would be the way to go. Starladder is already doing that pretty much. They have like 2 or 3 more divisions below starseries. The top teams advance into the higher division, while the bottom teams drop down, While the top teams in the highest division quialify for the main event comparable to the top 1-2/3 teams quialifying for the champions league and teams up to 5th place quialify for Europe League. So basicly all Starladder needs is another event for place 5-8 with a smaller prizepool and they'd have everything real sports league has. Thing is: Does the community even want a thing like that? As I said previously I actually like the way it is now or rather the direction it's going. Fewer events in total, but make them bigger. I hope tournament organizers will be able to communicate stuff better and not stack everything into 2 months. Having a major event every 2-3 months looks fine to me. | ||
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trifecta
United States6795 Posts
On April 18 2014 09:38 Talron wrote: Well of course, if things are big enough, having one huge thing just like in football for Bundesliga or Premier League would be the way to go. Starladder is already doing that pretty much. They have like 2 or 3 more divisions below starseries. The top teams advance into the higher division, while the bottom teams drop down, While the top teams in the highest division quialify for the main event comparable to the top 1-2/3 teams quialifying for the champions league and teams up to 5th place quialify for Europe League. So basicly all Starladder needs is another event for place 5-8 with a smaller prizepool and they'd have everything real sports league has. Thing is: Does the community even want a thing like that? As I said previously I actually like the way it is now or rather the direction it's going. Fewer events in total, but make them bigger. I hope tournament organizers will be able to communicate stuff better and not stack everything into 2 months. Having a major event every 2-3 months looks fine to me. So like the CSGO model? CSGO already has better coordination for major events, but are given prize money from valve in discrete chunks and don't have an international to fuck with the year's schedule | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
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Zealos
United Kingdom3576 Posts
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
but i got put into low priority as balance i guess | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
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Darkren
Canada1841 Posts
EVERY FUCKING I LOG IN, somebody has been punished because of ME, i must say this sense of accomplishement for nothing that valve gives me is fucking weird. I find it funny in some sense it seems people get punished for no apparant reason like a metaphor to our beloved qq thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/dota-2/310452-dota-2-qq-thread May you find some relief in the tears many have shed and will shed | ||
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
On April 18 2014 05:07 trifecta wrote: 2gd talks a lot, but does he know what he's talking about? No. If you listened to him making his argument he was grasping at straws, as always.gdstudio already predicting ded gaem dota 2 The only thing resembling a point he had is that you can preserve the excitement for match-ups if you limit how often they happen. But, what he then ignored is that globally speaking, we still have the match-ups which we do rarely see. Na'Vi might play Alliance every month, but they certainly don't play iG every month. And also, Dota is a constantly changing game. People are excited to see the match-ups after a patch. People are excited to see it after a roster change. After a new team comes up. It isn't as simple to say that people don't want to see the same match-ups every month, because that isn't how Dota works. Dota is still how it has always been, saying every year that "now it's oversaturated, people will lose interest" doesn't require any insight. And more importantly, just because it's oversatured doesn't mean that's the reason people will stop watching. People pretend like that was the issue with StarCraft. But how many people would actually say they stopped watching StarCraft because there were too many tournaments? I stopped watching because I found it boring, because deep down I had always found it boring, and I only watched it because there wasn't a lot else going on in eSports at that time. People probably have different reasons, but I find the whole oversaturation argument for why a scene would decline so heavily a bit of a joke. | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
On April 18 2014 09:36 kirsed wrote: Probably a lot since Russia Ukraine is where most people play dota in the world. It shows why starladder is so big and frequently gets higher viewernumbers on there russian language stream then on there english one. | ||
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Bswhunter
Australia954 Posts
On April 18 2014 04:49 BurningSera wrote: ![[image loading]](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Blav5YdIEAAXQgz.jpg) Hot damn thats a fine 20ish years | ||
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hfglgg
Germany5372 Posts
On April 18 2014 15:27 teapoted wrote: . Dota is still how it has always been, saying every year that "now it's oversaturated, people will lose interest" doesn't require any insight. this i dont know if it is because 2gd got into dota2 rather late or that he already forgot how the situation was post ti1 but there are only two differences from two years back and now: 1. the prizepools are way higher 2. the non european scenes having regular games now too. back then there were 4 to 5 online leagues running at all times (defense, starladder, gosu league, premier league, the league with ayesee) and every other weekend was a small tourney with 8 invited teams. so yeah, the whole oversaturation is killing esport thing is kinda uncalled for when dota always had a billion games going on at the same time. | ||
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