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BlindKill
Australia1508 Posts
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
On April 18 2014 16:39 hfglgg wrote: this i dont know if it is because 2gd got into dota2 rather late or that he already forgot how the situation was post ti1 but there are only two differences from two years back and now: 1. the prizepools are way higher 2. the non european scenes having regular games now too. back then there were 4 to 5 online leagues running at all times (defense, starladder, gosu league, premier league, the league with ayesee) and every other weekend was a small tourney with 8 invited teams. so yeah, the whole oversaturation is killing esport thing is kinda uncalled for when dota always had a billion games going on at the same time. honestly if anything its less oversaturated with shitty tournaments this year Outside of d2cl I'm not too hot on this d2l western challenge going on either, i'm kinda just not interested in a tournament w/o lan finals at this point | ||
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rob.au
1087 Posts
Having said that I don't know the playerbase numbers for dota2, at some point it's going to peak etc...if it hasn't already. At this point I'm not expecting it to ever overtake LoL in Korea or China but it probably still has room to grow in these regions. | ||
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cupoftealove
325 Posts
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Talron
Germany7651 Posts
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Bayyne
United States1967 Posts
On April 18 2014 17:26 rob.au wrote: People lose interest in the NBA and MLB as well because they have so many games, it doesn't mean they aren't going to watch the playoffs etc...It doesn't mean dota2 is dying it just means there are too many tournaments or the tournaments aren't interesting enough to the fans. Having said that I don't know the playerbase numbers for dota2, at some point it's going to peak etc...if it hasn't already. At this point I'm not expecting it to ever overtake LoL in Korea or China but it probably still has room to grow in these regions. The people who watch the NBA or MLB don't lose interest in it as there is no 'other' professional basketball league or baseball league here in the states worth watching over those two. Number of games isn't an issue when there is a singular league to focus on. Maybe the people you know aren't too keen on the NBA or MLB, but here in So Cal, if you're a fan of ball then you never 'lose interest' in it. | ||
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rob.au
1087 Posts
On April 18 2014 17:57 Bayyne wrote: The people who watch the NBA or MLB don't lose interest in it as there is no 'other' professional basketball league or baseball league here in the states worth watching over those two. Number of games isn't an issue when there is a singular league to focus on. Maybe the people you know aren't too keen on the NBA or MLB, but here in So Cal, if you're a fan of ball then you never 'lose interest' in it. I've seen a huge number of sports writers say the seasons are too long to keep up with, but by lose interest I mean compared to something like NFL that has way less games. I doubt that many people are watching all 162 baseball games, because each game is just worth less, but it's pretty realistic that someone might watch all the NFL games one season. It's like in dota, people watch the big games but as more tournaments crop up the games where rox.kis are playing fnatic for mouse pads in a tournament run by gdstudio are not as interesting. | ||
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govie
9334 Posts
I think LANS are the most enjoyable to watch, attract the most viewers and feel like a final as a viewer. So, i hope the DH, MLG and ESL will do more of those without a long online stage. | ||
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2stra
Netherlands928 Posts
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On April 18 2014 19:03 2stra wrote: I think that there are very few people that actually follow/watch all the tournaments. If you only watch the matches of the team you like and the high profile fixtures it is very manageable IMO. Kind of similar to football (soccer) where you follow your team's matches and watch like Champions League, Word Cup, European Championship etc with some Premier League and La Liga sprinkled in. exactly. i think its dota2s future model, in a way. i dont think itll be like most american professional sports because those never developed from an international perspective, but football/soccer has | ||
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Unleashing
Denmark14978 Posts
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lprk
Poland2249 Posts
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SilverStar
Sweden18511 Posts
On April 18 2014 17:54 Talron wrote: Tournament nobody cares about will die out eventually anyway: Heck, some already did. The Defense, TPL and some other stuff I even already forgot. Wasn't tobi making some wild announcements for the defense a while ago? Or was he refering to EMS one? Either way I am happy that The Defense is on hiatus. | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
On April 18 2014 17:54 Talron wrote: The Defense didn't "die out", it was always growing. And they just haven't run a new one since the last one. I'm guessing because jD got a bunch of new contracts to cover other shit.Tournament nobody cares about will die out eventually anyway: Heck, some already did. The Defense, TPL and some other stuff I even already forgot. And TPL got banned. TPL was also growing. In fact the last season of TPL was very good, people didn't like the casters, but they were doing a lot of stuff right and had one of the most interesting formats. TPL would probably be bigger than D2L/D2CL if they were still around. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/chY1ZSg.png) fruits of reporting everyone also jd said they dont do defense anymore cuz theres just no need for it anymore, it was always to grow the scene and at this point it would only be one in ten, whereas after ti1 it was literally the only thing now they do jdl which is great | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
also jd said they dont do defense anymore cuz theres just no need for it anymore, it was always to grow the scene and at this point it would only be one in ten, whereas after ti1 it was literally the only thing That sounds like a bullshit reason.I still think it's just because they got a bunch of other contracts. If they don't have premier content to broadcast, they would still be running the Defense. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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makmeatt
2024 Posts
On April 18 2014 20:06 teapoted wrote: That sounds like a bullshit reason. I still think it's just because they got a bunch of other contracts. If they don't have premier content to broadcast, they would still be running the Defense. How is it a bullshit reason? Even if they are trying to make a PR stunt out of it, there is literally no need for it anymore - the comp scene is almost overrun with tournaments that are worth taking part in, so if they decided to not organize 'just another tournament', then it's all rational. | ||
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ReignSupreme.
Australia4123 Posts
I remember it really well because I almost never watch anything that he does outside of casting, so it kind of stands out in my head. | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
On April 18 2014 20:43 makmeatt wrote: If this wasn't a business then it's a good reason.How is it a bullshit reason? Even if they are trying to make a PR stunt out of it, there is literally no need for it anymore - the comp scene is almost overrun with tournaments that are worth taking part in, so if they decided to not organize 'just another tournament', then it's all rational. Would you see a bigger return if there were less tournaments? Yes. But if you wouldn't see a return then there wouldn't be as many tournaments (with as many seasons) as there are currently. So, I still believe that jD had a lot of contracts for things where they aren't fronting all the money. And they are a small staff, so it didn't make sense to do the Defense at that time. If I'm wrong, they would never run their own premier tournament again unless it's something radically different from what's currently out there. And I have no doubts about jD running another Defense or similar tournament in the future, even though "it isn't needed." | ||
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