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ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
April 17 2014 18:48 GMT
#103421
It doesn't help that there are three different shops in the game that sell different sets of items.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-17 18:51:13
April 17 2014 18:50 GMT
#103422
yeah that too.
Dota is just confusing, and organizing that information in a way that is helpful to new players is hard.
One of my roommates always forgets to buy boots from the sideshop and ties up the courier with that shit.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44292 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-17 18:56:29
April 17 2014 18:56 GMT
#103423
On April 18 2014 03:21 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 18 2014 03:16 PassiveAce wrote:
On April 18 2014 03:11 TheYango wrote:
Basic items are sorted by provided stats, combined items are sorted by role/function.

I don't get why that's confusing.

How would you have organized the items?

Obviously in DotA the developers did the best they could with the engine they had to work with, im not disparaging them for it, I just personally did not like the game.
There probably isnt a great way to organize all that information in a way that is digestable for a noob, im just stating my opinion that DotA's system really sucks, and dota2 did everything better but its item system still kind of sucks. dont construe that as an attack on anyone though, because its not.


Dota1s system was obviously shit. Unless you memorised everything(which I certainly didn't), you'd easily spend a full minute in the fountain just looking for things.

I'm not sure how the system in dota 2 could have been done better than it is. Its really easy to find most things, and like you said the search bar is readily available and even take words like "sheepstick" should you have forgotten the name of the item itself.

The quickbuy menu in dota 2 also really speeds things up, letting you get an item ready when you have time, like walking towards the fountain.

actually if you do play like 4-5 months of dota 1 you would be able to memorize where those items are from which shop

i learned to memorize it in about a month or two when i started really playing the game but that was alike a decade ago when the version was still 5.84c.
this is a quote
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
April 17 2014 18:57 GMT
#103424
On April 18 2014 03:48 ahswtini wrote:
It doesn't help that there are three different shops in the game that sell different sets of items.

If that is too complex Dota might be the wrong game for the person playing. After a few hours you know the difference in the items. It even pings on the map to tell you where you can pick items from the secret shops.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44292 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-17 18:58:07
April 17 2014 18:57 GMT
#103425
On April 18 2014 03:50 PassiveAce wrote:
yeah that too.
Dota is just confusing, and organizing that information in a way that is helpful to new players is hard.
One of my roommates always forgets to buy boots from the sideshop and ties up the courier with that shit.

dota is probably one of the hardest games to learn even when you have tutors. Probably on par with games like civilization or hearts of iron.

It's like teaching a baby how to walk.
this is a quote
chocorush
Profile Joined June 2009
696 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-17 19:18:53
April 17 2014 19:18 GMT
#103426
I'm assuming buying stuff before you die is way harder in Dota 1. It's probably a bit more complicated than doing a round of macro in starcraft because you have to remember a lot more hotkeys.
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
April 17 2014 19:26 GMT
#103427
it was definitely much harder

no quickbuy or purchase-sticky-icon-thing, and no hotkey for them either.


however, you could hotkey the shops and each item had its own hotkey so if you had those memorized you could've bought out bought out pretty quickly
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
April 17 2014 19:27 GMT
#103428
If you know the hotkeys, you could buy much faster than in dota2
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
April 17 2014 19:33 GMT
#103429
On April 18 2014 04:27 Yoshi- wrote:
If you know the hotkeys, you could buy much faster than in dota2

Well, not exactly much faster, because it only takes 1 key press in Dota 2 if you set up quick buys, but as fast. It is only faster if you don't have enough gold for any item in you quick buy and want something other than TP scrolls. But that also requires quick thinking in Dota 1.
VeryAverage
Profile Joined January 2011
United States424 Posts
April 17 2014 19:42 GMT
#103430
On April 18 2014 04:18 chocorush wrote:
I'm assuming buying stuff before you die is way harder in Dota 1. It's probably a bit more complicated than doing a round of macro in starcraft because you have to remember a lot more hotkeys.


I just learned to recognize when it was futile to try to escape and bought while I was being killed.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-04-17 19:50:05
April 17 2014 19:49 GMT
#103431
wow that Titan team icon so nice.

Meanwhile, good guy Volvo never perma ban people:
[image loading]
https://twitter.com/Cyborgmatt/status/456745818830012416/photo/1
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 17 2014 19:50 GMT
#103432
On April 18 2014 04:49 BurningSera wrote:
wow that Titan team icon so nice.

Meanwhile, Volve never perma ban people:
[image loading]

https://twitter.com/Cyborgmatt/status/456745818830012416/photo/1


LoL Updates ‏@LOLupdates 8h
@Cyborgmatt League of Legends has no problems with hacks and cheats. This is why LoL is better than Dota 2. #Dota2 #LeagueOfLegends

Good lord the comments!
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 17 2014 19:50 GMT
#103433
LoL Updates is a troll account, this isn't new.
Moderator
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
April 17 2014 19:51 GMT
#103434
Yeah, I read.
Just funny to see it shoehorned in like that
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
April 17 2014 19:59 GMT
#103435
The worst part about dota 1 shops is that if you wanted to buy, say, a Ring of Aquila, you had to something like 11 key presses at the minimum. Meanwhile in dota 2 it can be as little as 3(open shop, right click in recommended, close shop)
This space left intentionally dank /)3(\ http://i.imgur.com/RmeEUcF.png
EmilA
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark4618 Posts
April 17 2014 20:06 GMT
#103436
Good ol muteban for picking terrorblade. Not that I mind, terrorblade is hella annoying and chatwheel is great, but mute system does seem a bit rigged.
http://dotabuff.com/players/122305951 playing other games
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
April 17 2014 20:07 GMT
#103437
gdstudio already predicting ded gaem dota 2
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
April 17 2014 20:13 GMT
#103438
its funny cuz rampant drophacking and other silliness in league the last few weeks has gotten players riled up
dont worry still #1 esport/moba/most players in the world
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
April 17 2014 20:45 GMT
#103439
dota 2 estimated 26 million steam bots installed and idled for a minimum of 6 minutes in menu screen for a total of 3.8 billion idle minutes #2 moba alive gaem

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/04/introducing-steam-gauge-ars-reveals-steams-most-popular-games/
dudutsai
Profile Joined March 2014
5 Posts
April 17 2014 20:47 GMT
#103440
Is there anywhere that people who are proficient at one game, but wanting to learn another can go to swap lessons? I'm only asking here because I don't really know what forum to use, and I would like to improve my dota
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