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goody153
44292 Posts
On April 09 2014 01:29 Ru ba wrote: this might sound weird but honestly,safe lane is a pretty questionable place for a naga to farm radiance i actually agree she is more flexible than PL and actually benefits going mid if you know where to farm and dodge fights. | ||
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Laserist
Turkey4269 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 09 2014 01:35 Laserist wrote: Fast heroes "nerfed" like lycan/ember picked every game? If you had read the thread, he was talking about ganking heroes like batrider and other heroes with sting pick off potential. He is talking about heroes that can murder Lycan sand ember. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
#D2L | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On April 09 2014 01:41 Plansix wrote: If you had read the thread, he was talking about ganking heroes like batrider and other heroes with sting pick off potential. He is talking about heroes that can murder Lycan sand ember. Yup. Although on walking away and thinking for a minute, the Shadow Blade nerf probably had a lot to do with it as well. No longer can Alchemist or Dragon Knight pop out of nowhere and pop a helpless Slithice. One thing's unquestionable. It's definitely something that changed between now and TI3. People tried running Naga mid in TI3 and got stomped. Maybe it was the changes to offlane that did it, by giving each team a second strong space-creator to work with instead of having to make do with their mid and whatever their offlane could accomplish with nothing but brown boots. | ||
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Grettin
42414 Posts
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On April 09 2014 01:42 Sn0_Man wrote: Comeh I need a verdict on Phase Boots Morphling. #D2L Yeah it makes no sense. I think he only got it to bully doom in lane, but after that its 100% inferior to treads. | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On April 09 2014 02:35 Kupon3ss wrote: the fact that it lets the morphling be self sufficient in lane despite going midas first is worth it in of itself in that situation. Compare that morph with say TC morph, who also midas rushes but becomes unable to actually even stay in lane by himself Wat? As opposed to what treads would have given him? lol. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
Best they do is give you harass damage. But any competent laner has higher range and sufficient damage to make that worthless. So it's an item to shut your opponent down and nothing else. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On April 09 2014 02:35 Kupon3ss wrote: the fact that it lets the morphling be self sufficient in lane despite going midas first is worth it in of itself in that situation. Compare that morph with say TC morph, who also midas rushes but becomes unable to actually even stay in lane by himself If you are getting midas and can't stay in lane by yourself, chances are you shouldn't be going midas first. On April 09 2014 02:45 Acritter wrote: I don't understand how Phase Boots lets anyone sustain lane presence. Only old Tranqs did that. Best they do is give you harass damage. But any competent laner has higher range and sufficient damage to make that worthless. So it's an item to shut your opponent down and nothing else. Theoretically it lets you harass doom in lane. But you probably could with treads just fine, have better mana efficiency, better DPS in later game... | ||
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Kraznaya
United States3711 Posts
On April 09 2014 00:46 Acritter wrote: Those were ages ago. Fact is, we've seen huge nerfs to (for example) Wisp and Batrider, which are two of the game's premier pickoff heroes. More pickoff=dead Naga. Dead Lycan too, for that matter. And although we can't show any correlation here, probably a dead Ember Spirit. All those heroes got nerfed, and as a result, Naga's gotten good again. Hell, even the cancer that is OD would have stopped this Naga mid stupidity. pretty sure naga counters wisp not the other way around | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
insta-buy, ggnore. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On April 09 2014 03:06 Kraznaya wrote: pretty sure naga counters wisp not the other way around Support Naga does. Core Naga does not. It means that any time you get one-two heroes with some kind of lockdown on the Naga, you instantly have two more following up with more stuns. In the support situation, the Naga disengages you from the core being ganked. In the core situation, the Naga is the one being ganked and can't enforce any kind of disengage (except in situations where she'd be able to disengage anyway). There's also the huge ability of Wisp/Tiny to push the second the Naga dies, and the way Wisp accelerates the game pace so much that the core Naga can't keep in it. | ||
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Veles
United States3280 Posts
Second thing I buy if this is real (kunkka loadscreens make dota feel like dota) | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On April 09 2014 03:25 Acritter wrote: Support Naga does. Core Naga does not. It means that any time you get one-two heroes with some kind of lockdown on the Naga, you instantly have two more following up with more stuns. In the support situation, the Naga disengages you from the core being ganked. In the core situation, the Naga is the one being ganked and can't enforce any kind of disengage (except in situations where she'd be able to disengage anyway). There's also the huge ability of Wisp/Tiny to push the second the Naga dies, and the way Wisp accelerates the game pace so much that the core Naga can't keep in it. hmmm. well ur wrong. to wit, core naga's still really good against wisp. Ur heavily overthinking how wisp ult interacts with sleep. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On April 09 2014 03:29 Sn0_Man wrote: hmmm. well ur wrong. to wit, core naga's still really good against wisp. Ur heavily overthinking how wisp ult interacts with sleep. It doesn't. It gives your team what's commonly known as "mobility," which roughly translates to "the ability to put the beatdown on Naga before she can sleep." Seriously, you don't see the difference between playing Naga as a core and Naga as a support? Well, it's not like it can be tested anyhow now that Wisp is nerfed into irrelevance outside of N0tail. | ||
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andyrau
13015 Posts
and you're assuming that the naga is the one being ganked every time. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On April 09 2014 03:35 Acritter wrote: It doesn't. It gives your team what's commonly known as "mobility," which roughly translates to "the ability to put the beatdown on Naga before she can sleep." Seriously, you don't see the difference between playing Naga as a core and Naga as a support? Well, it's not like it can be tested anyhow now that Wisp is nerfed into irrelevance outside of N0tail. You realize that even a core naga is capable of pressing "r" on-time for a wisp relocate... right? | ||
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DrPandaPhD
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