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On April 09 2014 00:23 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 00:18 Acritter wrote:
Why did they have to nerf every hero so bad that Naga Siren got good again? I don't want TI4 to be a repeat of TI2. I don't think nerfs did it, it was more like some teams when "remember this?" And other teams went "fuck, how do we stop this shit again?!?" The circle of life continues.
hahaha
totally .. it's just that the popularity of mid naga is rising and with the rise of rat dota and hyper-russian dota. Naga being with them or dealing with them.
Just my guess though.
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Rad buffs + riptide CD buffs yo.
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On April 09 2014 00:36 Sn0_Man wrote:
Rad buffs + riptide CD buffs yo.
I'm sure that didn't hurt at all. I'm just saying that teams are always looking for some flavor of rat dota to dumbfound teams with. Naga is just the old/new flavor. Just wait, teams will figure out how to crush it. Then the circle of life will continue.
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the recipe on how to crush naga is well known,you just delay her radiance as long as possible
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On April 09 2014 00:36 Sn0_Man wrote:
Rad buffs + riptide CD buffs yo.
Those were ages ago. Fact is, we've seen huge nerfs to (for example) Wisp and Batrider, which are two of the game's premier pickoff heroes. More pickoff=dead Naga. Dead Lycan too, for that matter. And although we can't show any correlation here, probably a dead Ember Spirit. All those heroes got nerfed, and as a result, Naga's gotten good again.
Hell, even the cancer that is OD would have stopped this Naga mid stupidity.
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On April 09 2014 00:46 Acritter wrote:Those were ages ago. Fact is, we've seen huge nerfs to (for example) Wisp and Batrider, which are two of the game's premier pickoff heroes. More pickoff=dead Naga. Dead Lycan too, for that matter. And although we can't show any correlation here, probably a dead Ember Spirit. All those heroes got nerfed, and as a result, Naga's gotten good again. Hell, even the cancer that is OD would have stopped this Naga mid stupidity.
Batrider is really popular right now.
Pretty sure teams just figured out how to lane Naga without losing the game too much while she farms radiance. After that, teams remembered how to come back with this hero and regain map control.
Edit: Also the game simply just slowed down enough for her to be valid.
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Wisp sux vs naga
Wisp also sux vs lycan.
Wisp sux vs ember too.
I bet we see more bat today than in the TI3 patch considering the ban rate he had.
So um, yeah.
The fact that naga can farm mid with riptide (especially on radiant) and the buffs to radiance are the "new" things that brought her back since she's so much weaker as a lane carry than she was in TI2. Yes, she could have farmed mid around TI2 but that wasn't really a thing back then.
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I think the bigger reason of her comback was Mercale 1v5 DK than the buffs and nerfs.
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On April 09 2014 01:01 lprk wrote:
I think the bigger reason of her comback was Mercale 1v5 DK than the buffs and nerfs.
i agree. meracle brought her back and other players saw what can be achieved with the hero. some people tried different stuff with her like putting her mid and others just tried to play like meracle but were too bad at it (yes illidan you dont know how to abuse naga)
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On April 09 2014 00:46 Acritter wrote:Those were ages ago. Fact is, we've seen huge nerfs to (for example) Wisp and Batrider, which are two of the game's premier pickoff heroes. More pickoff=dead Naga. Dead Lycan too, for that matter. And although we can't show any correlation here, probably a dead Ember Spirit. All those heroes got nerfed, and as a result, Naga's gotten good again. Hell, even the cancer that is OD would have stopped this Naga mid stupidity.
Fear not, people will kill it in time. Have faith, there are many ways to gank.
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The chance of you having to deal with a ratting radiance naga in YOUR games is pretty nonexistant plansix. And it's not that awful to watch imo.
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The only people who get raidences in my games are jungle blood seekers, because you know, fire and blood go together. Naga isn't a hero people pick in my section of the trench. Just like enigma and Chen.
But we get all the mountain prophets. All of them.
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On April 09 2014 01:10 Sn0_Man wrote:
The chance of you having to deal with a ratting radiance naga in YOUR games is pretty nonexistant plansix. And it's not that awful to watch imo.
Honestly, I think only a few pros really are able to play naga radiance effectively from behind (and if you are running naga radiance, chances are you will be pretty far behind in the midgame)
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On April 09 2014 01:17 Plansix wrote:
But we get all the mountain prophets. All of them.
Greedy bastards! leave some cliff-furions for the rest of us!
On April 09 2014 01:18 Comeh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 01:10 Sn0_Man wrote:
The chance of you having to deal with a ratting radiance naga in YOUR games is pretty nonexistant plansix. And it's not that awful to watch imo. Honestly, I think only a few pros really are able to play naga radiance effectively from behind (and if you are running naga radiance, chances are you will be pretty far behind in the midgame)
Some captain drafted our team a carry naga who went safe lane and farmed treads radiance in like 30 mins :C its really hard to play properly but people still try it...
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On April 09 2014 01:19 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 01:17 Plansix wrote:
But we get all the mountain prophets. All of them. Greedy bastards! leave some cliff-furions for the rest of us! Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 01:18 Comeh wrote:On April 09 2014 01:10 Sn0_Man wrote:
The chance of you having to deal with a ratting radiance naga in YOUR games is pretty nonexistant plansix. And it's not that awful to watch imo. Honestly, I think only a few pros really are able to play naga radiance effectively from behind (and if you are running naga radiance, chances are you will be pretty far behind in the midgame) Some captain drafted our team a carry naga who went safe lane and farmed treads radiance in like 30 mins :C its really hard to play properly but people still try it...
I had a league game like that. I was 0-7 naga with a 25 min radiance.
Fortunately my team was like 20-0, but jesus did I make that game hard.
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On April 09 2014 01:19 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 01:17 Plansix wrote:
But we get all the mountain prophets. All of them. Greedy bastards! leave some cliff-furions for the rest of us!
Oh we loan them out to the higher MMRs so they can feel the joy and wonder of the slowest NP ever. And they never push the lanes, because it would take them to far away from their home, the mountain.
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this might sound weird but honestly,safe lane is a pretty questionable place for a naga to farm radiance
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Well yeah cuz u can't rice safe lane all the way to radiance most of the time which means you need levels + bottle crow to illusion farm jungle and lanes which means you might as well be mid and have a space creator farming ur safelane to help while ur still weak.
Contrast to say a spectre who literally has no choice but to farm safe lane (or heroes) for her radiance so thats wat she does XD.
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On April 09 2014 00:49 Comeh wrote:Show nested quote +On April 09 2014 00:46 Acritter wrote:On April 09 2014 00:36 Sn0_Man wrote:
Rad buffs + riptide CD buffs yo. Those were ages ago. Fact is, we've seen huge nerfs to (for example) Wisp and Batrider, which are two of the game's premier pickoff heroes. More pickoff=dead Naga. Dead Lycan too, for that matter. And although we can't show any correlation here, probably a dead Ember Spirit. All those heroes got nerfed, and as a result, Naga's gotten good again. Hell, even the cancer that is OD would have stopped this Naga mid stupidity. Batrider is really popular right now. Pretty sure teams just figured out how to lane Naga without losing the game too much while she farms radiance. After that, teams remembered how to come back with this hero and regain map control. Edit: Also the game simply just slowed down enough for her to be valid.
Batrider is popular because people stopped banning him. He's a popular second-phase pick.
The game slowed down because the fast heroes got nerfed.
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