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Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-30 22:59:15
March 30 2014 22:58 GMT
#100921
On March 31 2014 07:41 makmeatt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 07:05 TheYango wrote:
On March 31 2014 06:16 makmeatt wrote:
Midas on Zet was core just because he had it double thanks to the TD, same with necros and shit. It's not as good as you think right now, since feeding necrominions can backfire pretty hard and one way or the other, he is gonna get the gold and he wants to avoid overacquiring xp.

He actually gets more than double because his ult has a shorter CD than Midas, and the clone always spawns with all CDs ready. Though, as with Midas bear, the main hero does not get the XP on the clone's Midas.

EDIT: I could see him making a DotA 2 only change where the clone spawns with same CDs as the main hero rather than resetting everything. That would actually be fairly significant.
Also, as far as I know, you don't want XP on Zet (as in, you want to be the lowest level after lvl11).


Why?
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
March 30 2014 23:00 GMT
#100922
On March 31 2014 02:35 Mataza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 01:58 teddyoojo wrote:
1,2k dmg nuke isnt ok on lvl 7

Over 16 seconds, for which he has to hit you 4 times in a row with a slow moving skillshot.

It's easier to get Leschrac 1600 diabolic edict damage on the same target than to hit 4 perfectly timed fire spirits on the same guy that plays better than a potato.

Hey! I find that hurtful as a potato. But hey, I suck at anything that's not WR or Rubick so there's that.
(._.) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (._.) They see me rolling. They hating.
makmeatt
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
2024 Posts
March 30 2014 23:11 GMT
#100923
On March 31 2014 07:58 Belisarius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 07:41 makmeatt wrote:
On March 31 2014 07:05 TheYango wrote:
On March 31 2014 06:16 makmeatt wrote:
Midas on Zet was core just because he had it double thanks to the TD, same with necros and shit. It's not as good as you think right now, since feeding necrominions can backfire pretty hard and one way or the other, he is gonna get the gold and he wants to avoid overacquiring xp.

He actually gets more than double because his ult has a shorter CD than Midas, and the clone always spawns with all CDs ready. Though, as with Midas bear, the main hero does not get the XP on the clone's Midas.

EDIT: I could see him making a DotA 2 only change where the clone spawns with same CDs as the main hero rather than resetting everything. That would actually be fairly significant.
Also, as far as I know, you don't want XP on Zet (as in, you want to be the lowest level after lvl11).


Why?

Shorter respawns.
"Silver Edge can't break my hope" - Kryptt 2016 || "Chrono is not a debuff, you just get rekt" - Guru 2016
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
March 30 2014 23:30 GMT
#100924
in other news, europe has first legit 7k guy
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
March 30 2014 23:32 GMT
#100925
On March 31 2014 08:11 makmeatt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 07:58 Belisarius wrote:
On March 31 2014 07:41 makmeatt wrote:
On March 31 2014 07:05 TheYango wrote:
On March 31 2014 06:16 makmeatt wrote:
Midas on Zet was core just because he had it double thanks to the TD, same with necros and shit. It's not as good as you think right now, since feeding necrominions can backfire pretty hard and one way or the other, he is gonna get the gold and he wants to avoid overacquiring xp.

He actually gets more than double because his ult has a shorter CD than Midas, and the clone always spawns with all CDs ready. Though, as with Midas bear, the main hero does not get the XP on the clone's Midas.

EDIT: I could see him making a DotA 2 only change where the clone spawns with same CDs as the main hero rather than resetting everything. That would actually be fairly significant.
Also, as far as I know, you don't want XP on Zet (as in, you want to be the lowest level after lvl11).


Why?

Shorter respawns.

is not dying an option ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 30 2014 23:38 GMT
#100926
There's not really a reason for you to be dying that much on Arc Warden in the first place.

DR 3rd item is actually legit on the hero because of how it works on his clone (clone gets it but doesn't drop it when dying) so you can use it in both pushing and fighting incredibly safely.
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-30 23:49:03
March 30 2014 23:48 GMT
#100927
On March 31 2014 06:18 Mataza wrote:
The ham is a fun hero.
You can channel the power of grilled ham to rain fire from the sky, and the power of strong tendons to hold enemies in place for up to 3 seconds(people can still attack and cast spells though).

His ult is a team teleport of everyone who is around him after a short delay after the cast. He can teleport to structures and lane creeps. I can't think of any ham-ness for this, but rest assured global teleport is the reason he will be imbalanced.

Originally it was a buggy 2-way portal. Fun times. You could never enter the portal when you wanted, and you would always enter when trying to go around. Advanced players always opened the portal into their own fountain, because enemies could use the portal as well.
I miss the good old portal.

War3 tp?
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hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
March 31 2014 00:34 GMT
#100928
I really hope there's no reactionary Ember nerf come 6.81. Took everyone like 6 months to convert to using decent builds and now people want to gut the entire hero after barely a month of 50% winrate in competitive.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
March 31 2014 00:39 GMT
#100929
icefrog isnt superior moba development balance team











or is he
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
March 31 2014 01:00 GMT
#100930
ember is really fucking annoying tho
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
kaztah
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway1221 Posts
March 31 2014 01:43 GMT
#100931
How can you not hate that hero? The only reason he's not as hated as earth spirit was, is because phoenix and terrorblade also exists.

I have to play unranked all random or fucking captains mode/draft to meet other heroes in pubs..
I speak fluent sarcasm.
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
March 31 2014 01:47 GMT
#100932
Ember is not even particularly strong compared to a lot of old first pick heroes. Slight nerf would be warranted but I don't know why people think he's all that ridiculous.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
March 31 2014 02:01 GMT
#100933
its mostly because SoF + Chains is a retarded amount of damage literally all game with Ember's scaling

they just need to nerf chains damage, that skill is way too strong
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
superstartran
Profile Joined March 2010
United States4013 Posts
March 31 2014 02:03 GMT
#100934
On March 31 2014 10:47 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Ember is not even particularly strong compared to a lot of old first pick heroes. Slight nerf would be warranted but I don't know why people think he's all that ridiculous.



Because he has crazy mobility, is pretty hard to kill due to said mobility, has huge range with SoF, has big burst damage early with Remenants, Bolas, and SoF, and can scale decently.
Daozzt
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1263 Posts
March 31 2014 02:05 GMT
#100935
On March 31 2014 02:09 Daozzt wrote:
Heroes that are not ok: tb, lycan, phoenix, slark, ember spirit, invoker



Thinks this needs to be brought up again. I bet if anyone goes to look at their past 50 ranked matches there will be 1 or 2 of those heroes in every game.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
March 31 2014 02:09 GMT
#100936
whats wrong with slark?
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
March 31 2014 02:10 GMT
#100937
On March 31 2014 11:03 superstartran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 10:47 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Ember is not even particularly strong compared to a lot of old first pick heroes. Slight nerf would be warranted but I don't know why people think he's all that ridiculous.



Because he has crazy mobility, is pretty hard to kill due to said mobility, has huge range with SoF, has big burst damage early with Remenants, Bolas, and SoF, and can scale decently.

He's an extreme hero. His stats are laughable for a farmer and his laning is similar to Pudge's (though better) in that he loses most common MUs but punishes mistakes.

Doesn't mean he's really OP as so many seem to claim.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
March 31 2014 02:11 GMT
#100938
On March 31 2014 11:10 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 11:03 superstartran wrote:
On March 31 2014 10:47 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Ember is not even particularly strong compared to a lot of old first pick heroes. Slight nerf would be warranted but I don't know why people think he's all that ridiculous.



Because he has crazy mobility, is pretty hard to kill due to said mobility, has huge range with SoF, has big burst damage early with Remenants, Bolas, and SoF, and can scale decently.

He's an extreme hero. His stats are laughable for a farmer and his laning is similar to Pudge's (though better) in that he loses most common MUs but punishes mistakes.

Doesn't mean he's really OP as so many seem to claim.

He's actually just broken.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Staboteur
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada1873 Posts
March 31 2014 02:13 GMT
#100939
On March 31 2014 11:05 Daozzt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2014 02:09 Daozzt wrote:
Heroes that are not ok: tb, lycan, phoenix, slark, ember spirit, invoker



Thinks this needs to be brought up again. I bet if anyone goes to look at their past 50 ranked matches there will be 1 or 2 of those heroes in every game.


My last game had TB, Slark, and Invoker... but really? Slark isn't too abusive (Could use a long activation time on his ult's passive, but otherwise?), and invoker... must be one of those high level things, I doubt he has anything much higher than 50% winrate in my games.

TB on the other hand seems as broken as Earth Spirit seemed on Dota 2 release.
I'm actually Fleetfeet D:
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
March 31 2014 02:15 GMT
#100940
QW invoker isn't even that good he's just horrible and terrifying.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
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