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On March 30 2014 17:08 Animzor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 14:40 idonthinksobro wrote:On March 30 2014 14:32 Dubzex wrote: Fh what are you going to do for 10k? Something dota related? i never understood why a high post count is seen as an achievement, isn't it rather a sign that you waste too much time on a random online forum instead of doing useful things? why would you want to do something special at 10k, id rather be ashamed. It's like an achievement on CoD. The iGeneration must be rewarded for everything.
I joined at the same time as Tortdelini and he is known by almost everyone so i suppose thats something... lol
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i have phoenix and tb in my team
its literally the easiest game of my life
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On March 31 2014 01:25 teddyoojo wrote: i have phoenix and tb in my team
its literally the easiest game of my life
What's so great about Phoenix? Just curious since I haven't seen him played properly.
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attack slow, dive escape or chase, ulti free aegis + burn/stun, heal/dmg beam
whats not great about him =d
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On March 31 2014 01:39 Animzor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2014 01:25 teddyoojo wrote: i have phoenix and tb in my team
its literally the easiest game of my life What's so great about Phoenix? Just curious since I haven't seen him played properly.
He is a really strong hero.
Also playing him apparently goes against every principle of this thread.
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his damage output is pretty insane + a great deal of utility/mobility. its pretty unusual for a hero to have mobility + a stun (not too reliable but gigantic aoe) + high aoe damage. come to think of it thats pretty much the same reason everyones mad about ember right now.
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1,2k dmg nuke isnt ok on lvl 7
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My main complaint is how strong he is in lane. Reminds me of 1200 range Magnus skewer at level 1. Also, the fire spirits put them enemy heroes under ridiculous pressure (both farmers and supports).
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Heroes that are not ok: tb, lycan, phoenix, slark, ember spirit, invoker
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What's the problem with Ember Spirit ? Oh right, you got owned by him in a pub because you had zero disables so he must be OP. 
On March 31 2014 01:58 teddyoojo wrote: 1,2k dmg nuke isnt ok on lvl 7
wut ?
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On March 31 2014 02:25 BlitzerSC wrote:What's the problem with Ember Spirit ? Oh right, you got owned by him in a pub because you had zero disables so he must be OP.  Ty for clearing that up
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Zet's not even in the game yet.
EDIT: Though I still prefer Zet over Phoenix, because while a well-played Zet is probably harder to deal with than a well-played Phoenix, it's easier for a poor Phoenix player to use the hero than for a poor Zet player.
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I've heard scary things about Oracle as well, but not as much as Zet
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liek his magic damage is pretty stupid, sof hits shit without vision, chains can do hilarious rng ownage, ulti from base to remnant
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On March 31 2014 01:58 teddyoojo wrote: 1,2k dmg nuke isnt ok on lvl 7 Over 16 seconds, for which he has to hit you 4 times in a row with a slow moving skillshot.
It's easier to get Leschrac 1600 diabolic edict damage on the same target than to hit 4 perfectly timed fire spirits on the same guy that plays better than a potato.
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On March 31 2014 02:32 SKC wrote: I've heard scary things about Oracle as well, but not as much as Zet Oracle's pretty strong, he's just not on the same level of "you're a bad person if you pick/don't repick him".
Honestly, it's not just any one thing that you can pinpoint about Phoenix that's OP by itself. He has strong skills, but other heroes also have similarly strong skills.
The thing is you combine that on top of a incredibly strong base hero (ranged Strength hero with 0 animation) and they push him over the top. If he had animations like any hero you could name with a comparably strong skill set, he'd probably be reasonable.
There are plenty of heroes in DotA that have great skills balanced on a poor base hero, or a great base hero with mediocre skills. Phoenix happened to get the best of both worlds.
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People need to play more ability draft to realize that kind of stuff.
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oracle is definitely "you're a bad person if you pick/don't repick him" tier, but only really works in a team based setting as opposed to something like zet who just wins games by itself when used correctly
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well none of u guys know what hell is if you didnt play against the first versions of monkey king
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zet was really ridiculous when since you can use midas with his double, haven't really played him since then though so my opinion is kind of irrelevant haha.
I do hope oracle is released before ti4 because I really want to see how extremely strong he must be together with a dazzle. False promise + shallow grave on a morph with only agi or a huskar at low hp. Anyone here still play wc3 dota? Is this a broken combo?
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