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Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
May 05 2012 04:34 GMT
#9861
On May 05 2012 13:23 frucisky wrote:
Ursa is never picked competitively and I understand all the reasons that've been said - he's melee, easily disabled, somewhat item dependant, countered by ghost scepter etc.

The thing is, if you have a team build around him with disables, he just instantly kills any hero and easily snowballs, especially once he has his bkb (i.e. he can't be slowed anymore)

I don't play at a pro level duh but I fail to see why isn't he picked with a team built around him.


The problem with building around a specific hero so heavily is that if that hero gets picked off you auto-lose. Also you have to roam is 4-5 which means that there is most likely going to be a farm disparity. Most of the time a competitent team will punish 5 man roaming with counterpushing and farming separate lanes.
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Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
May 05 2012 04:37 GMT
#9862
Crystal's response to the 357/KingJ/Dai situation with EHOME and CLC:

http://esfiworld.com/news/357-kingj-and-dai-respond-team-hopping-controversy-crystals-response-them

The DotA 2 drama is so much better than the SC2 drama. :D
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
CountChocula
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2068 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 05:14:27
May 05 2012 05:13 GMT
#9863
On May 05 2012 13:37 Dubzex wrote:
Crystal's response to the 357/KingJ/Dai situation with EHOME and CLC:

http://esfiworld.com/news/357-kingj-and-dai-respond-team-hopping-controversy-crystals-response-them

The DotA 2 drama is so much better than the SC2 drama. :D

Seems 357 is quite two-faced in his dealings e.g. telling 71 to kick 820 and Crystal from EHOME (a backstab if you consider that it was 820 who first recruited 357 into EHOME), calling KingJ washed-up but still taking him to EHOME, etc.

820 comes out of the mess as an honest fellow even helping Crystal out when he didn't receive a full month's compensation.
Writer我会让他们连馒头都吃不到 Those championships owed me over the years, I will take them back one by one.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
May 05 2012 05:23 GMT
#9864
http://forum.gamesports.net/dota/showthread.php?4053-Curious-about-EG&p=65062&viewfull=1#post65062

interesting post about the current state of EG.DotA2. I my opinion its completely bs but some of them do make sense to a certain extend.
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 05:29:04
May 05 2012 05:26 GMT
#9865
girlfriends are the demise of dota teams
CLC
Darer

and remember when CH split up? 2009?
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
CountChocula
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada2068 Posts
May 05 2012 05:33 GMT
#9866
On May 05 2012 14:26 rabidch wrote:
girlfriends are the demise of dota teams
CLC
Darer

and remember when CH split up? 2009?

I remember vaguely. Didn't Burning make a public post that sounded really pitiful about how his back hurting from having to sleep on the couch because Longdd's gf came to visit? Also the usual stuff about Longdd skipping practice, Burning not getting paid, etc.
Writer我会让他们连馒头都吃不到 Those championships owed me over the years, I will take them back one by one.
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
May 05 2012 05:37 GMT
#9867
Thread: http://forum.gamesports.net/dota/showthread.php?4053-Curious-about-EG&p=65062&viewfull=1#post65062

Maelk
As per usual, people are very forgetful and seem to jump to conclusions from a timespan of anything from a week to a month or so.

Admittedly, EG has undergone some huge difficulties regarding our roster, and we have been punished a lot in terms of stability and level of competition because our desire to keep the roster intact. Over the course of 3 months, despite major commitment- and chemistry-issues, we have tried to make it work, and it has ultimately reached a point where we needed to evaluate whether or not we believed in overcoming these hurdles or if we should face reality and change the roster.

Obviously the latter has been the case, with PlaymatE already laving after his hiatus and EG not having used Lacoste and MiSeRy for a month or so, and as some has mentioned the team has started looking into other options.

I understand how a roster such as ours is expected to deliver topnotch results and such, but in all honesty, I wouldn't expect the commmunity to be as narrowminded as it seems to be from week to week. Even with our immense difficulties, we still managed to win Dignitas Cup in March as well as winning one of the joinDota Masters tournaments (also in March) not to forget placing third in The Defense - arguably the biggest and most succesful online tournament thus far, and since early April - where we also finally decided to look into other alternatives - we haven't participated in anything with a full roster. I am almost exclusively to blame for our lack of activity/practice for the past month as I have been, and still am, out travelling the United States.

With that being said, I think everyone knows what can be expected from a team such as ours once we get our mojo back and actually start training for something as important as Dreamhack and The International, and for you forgetful ones, we have a combined roster of people who managed to place 4th and 6th the last time around (best European/American placements after Na'Vi). Our roster has people who has more experience in the scene than most others can match, and both the experience and results to show for it, yet people tend to think that because a team does somewhat decent over the course of two weeks they are suddenly deserving of an invitation despite them not delivering any noteworthy result nor having the player-material to really challenge any of the established powerhouses.

Should EG end up not being invited, which I personally would be more than baffled about, I can't wait to see them list of teams that goes in our place. Only thing that in my world could possibly justify that would be a tournament with over the majority of the teams being Chinese.

I'm at the EG-lair now, trying to practice a bit with the team before rounding up my trip around the States later this month and from there we will be practicing 24/7 for 3 months straight (with a lineup yet to be announced) and of course attend Dreamhack! Can't wait to play some LAN again!

Good day to ya'll...


It does make alot of sense
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Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 05:55:27
May 05 2012 05:55 GMT
#9868
My god its just like Starcraft 2!

''MC IS A BONWJA''

(MC drops to code B'')

MC IS A SCRUB WHO ONLY WON CAUSE PROTOSS OP AND STUPID 2BASE ALLINS.

Ahh internet, how wonderful, his post makes sense.
WriterXiao8~~
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
May 05 2012 06:04 GMT
#9869
the fuck? MC code B? WTF IS THIS SPOILER BULLSHIT!!! ~_~

on the other hand... i cant sleep well these day without watching sing_sing stream
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
May 05 2012 06:23 GMT
#9870
On May 05 2012 13:23 frucisky wrote:
Ursa is never picked competitively and I understand all the reasons that've been said - he's melee, easily disabled, somewhat item dependant, countered by ghost scepter etc.

The thing is, if you have a team build around him with disables, he just instantly kills any hero and easily snowballs, especially once he has his bkb (i.e. he can't be slowed anymore)

I don't play at a pro level duh but I fail to see why isn't he picked with a team built around him.


Thing is, there are better heroes to have a team built around. AM, void, spec, PL, morph all carry harder than ursa and don't require babysitting in lane to the same extent. Ursa is a bit like jugg; high threat in lane when combined with disables, a little more damage but not as much utility.
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-05 06:34:23
May 05 2012 06:24 GMT
#9871
On May 05 2012 13:37 Dubzex wrote:
Crystal's response to the 357/KingJ/Dai situation with EHOME and CLC:

http://esfiworld.com/news/357-kingj-and-dai-respond-team-hopping-controversy-crystals-response-them

The DotA 2 drama is so much better than the SC2 drama. :D


the practice area was polluted with LoL players, which negatively affected the practice environment


huh, cackled when I saw that

LoL is killing esportsDota 2?

and after reading the whole thing, I have to say it killed EHOME



xboct's chen > puppey's chen
ffxiv enjoyer
Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
May 05 2012 06:43 GMT
#9872
On May 05 2012 15:24 DoNotDisturb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 13:37 Dubzex wrote:
Crystal's response to the 357/KingJ/Dai situation with EHOME and CLC:

http://esfiworld.com/news/357-kingj-and-dai-respond-team-hopping-controversy-crystals-response-them

The DotA 2 drama is so much better than the SC2 drama. :D


Show nested quote +
the practice area was polluted with LoL players, which negatively affected the practice environment


huh, cackled when I saw that

LoL is killing esportsDota 2?

and after reading the whole thing, I have to say it killed EHOME

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkxB6Ovdy8E

xboct's chen > puppey's chen

I love Na'Vi. Everyone on their team is just a giant troll.
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
May 05 2012 07:13 GMT
#9873
On May 05 2012 09:33 NB wrote:
play him like this and tell me he is gankable...


you can basicly use your illusion to farm while jungling while lanes are calling miss. This way a lot of dust on the enemy team will be wasted. Building stat early also give PL a certain level of tank which negate the QoP/ES instant-kill nukes by quite a bit.

can someone translate some of that ?
Crissaegrim
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
2947 Posts
May 05 2012 07:40 GMT
#9874
I have no idea what the NaVi video is about. 0_0
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
May 05 2012 07:47 GMT
#9875
Was Maelk's 0-20 veno in the joinDOTA Masters semi-final or final?
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
May 05 2012 08:06 GMT
#9876


not sure if this is a bug or engine intended, either way it is broken and exploitable.
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
May 05 2012 08:07 GMT
#9877
On May 05 2012 16:40 Crissaegrim wrote:
I have no idea what the NaVi video is about. 0_0


learn their langauge or use CC option friend
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
May 05 2012 08:11 GMT
#9878
On May 05 2012 16:13 cilinder007 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 09:33 NB wrote:
play him like this and tell me he is gankable... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVjGwfncd68

you can basicly use your illusion to farm while jungling while lanes are calling miss. This way a lot of dust on the enemy team will be wasted. Building stat early also give PL a certain level of tank which negate the QoP/ES instant-kill nukes by quite a bit.

can someone translate some of that ?

dota is a global language... basicly you lane with a baby sit who carry RoB, skill lance + stat with 1 level in walk before lv 11, ulti take normal. Item start out with PMS into tranquil+vitality-> rad. Notice how he dive tower at level 5 easily to kill WD @_@.
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
May 05 2012 08:13 GMT
#9879
On May 05 2012 17:06 NB wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-Oo7i7LL3E

not sure if this is a bug or engine intended, either way it is broken and exploitable.

Definite exploit, will get patched. Cute though, I laughed once I realised what the couriers were there for. :D
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cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
May 05 2012 08:17 GMT
#9880
On May 05 2012 17:11 NB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2012 16:13 cilinder007 wrote:
On May 05 2012 09:33 NB wrote:
play him like this and tell me he is gankable... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVjGwfncd68

you can basicly use your illusion to farm while jungling while lanes are calling miss. This way a lot of dust on the enemy team will be wasted. Building stat early also give PL a certain level of tank which negate the QoP/ES instant-kill nukes by quite a bit.

can someone translate some of that ?

dota is a global language... basicly you lane with a baby sit who carry RoB, skill lance + stat with 1 level in walk before lv 11, ulti take normal. Item start out with PMS into tranquil+vitality-> rad. Notice how he dive tower at level 5 easily to kill WD @_@.

I saw the skill build and item build, I meant if he said anything that could be important but wasnt so obvious
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