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Daozzt
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1263 Posts
March 11 2014 17:59 GMT
#98361
Can we not have math wizards gauge how useful and useless items can be. If a CW or LD bear runs at your team with the static shield buff on them you are going to back the fuck away because it's actually scary and the damage can win teamfights.
iokke
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1179 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-11 18:15:04
March 11 2014 17:59 GMT
#98362
nm
Crop circles are Chuck Norris' way of telling the world that sometimes corn needs to lie the f*** down. rerereredit.. I never get it right the 1st time
ScarPe
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany392 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-11 18:03:55
March 11 2014 18:00 GMT
#98363
On March 11 2014 20:58 Xypski wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 20:23 ScarPe wrote:
On March 11 2014 17:17 Laurens wrote:
On March 11 2014 10:56 ScarPe wrote:
this game is about having a gameplan how to deal with a certain team/situation and its execution.
you guys jsut argue with picking a single hero to solve lycan splitpushing,
it doesent seem like you understand that their whole team is build up around this strategy,
which means that picking the "should be" hardcounter to a hero dosent solve your problem at all.

i saw the game you mention, and i also saw fata on warlock being picked up 1 vs 5 with a smokegank,
when sigma slowly began to stabalise.
it was unfortunate, that it went this way, but that smoke was nessecary because they knew they had to go highground soon, or they may lose the game. and you dont go highground against a warlock, with everything ready.

dont get me wrong, but if you have all 3 lanes constantly pushing into your towers,
you are not solely tending to lose this game, because of that awsome lycan splitpush.


Golem cooldown: 165 s

Lycan ult cooldown: 40 s
Necro 3 cooldown: 95 s

Warlock does not stop a Lycan pushing.



:D thanks for this post man.
it just shows that you dont get what this game is all about at all.
there is NO WAY that you pick a certain hero, just to counter another one.
its not gonna happen, you can argue like this with every other hero too.

and then, you reduce warlock to his golem
thats a bad mistake sir.


Go play Icarus vs Silencer and keep repeating that to yourself. Maybe it'll ease the pain, idk.




okok i take everything back now, as it seems, that TL.net only play 1on1 mid.

at least thats how 99% of you argues about lycan.
i know that warlock has his flaws and so on, but i play 5on5 and thats something most of you seem to be unexperienced in.

at that dota mode i play (5on5) you pick a team that works against a certain type of play
i am sorry that i didnt mention that before.
in my mode, its also common, that you just lose straight away by picks, if you just try to counterpick.
the reason is, that a team which synergyses very well is still stronger than
the kinda random counterpick team.
Awaken my child and embrace the glory that is your birthright. -[The Overmind]
Daozzt
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1263 Posts
March 11 2014 18:01 GMT
#98364
Oh, the Warlock man is back. Let's get back to more relevant topics, like how Warlock can deal with Lycan split-pushing.
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
March 11 2014 18:01 GMT
#98365
On March 12 2014 03:00 ScarPe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2014 20:58 Xypski wrote:
On March 11 2014 20:23 ScarPe wrote:
On March 11 2014 17:17 Laurens wrote:
On March 11 2014 10:56 ScarPe wrote:
this game is about having a gameplan how to deal with a certain team/situation and its execution.
you guys jsut argue with picking a single hero to solve lycan splitpushing,
it doesent seem like you understand that their whole team is build up around this strategy,
which means that picking the "should be" hardcounter to a hero dosent solve your problem at all.

i saw the game you mention, and i also saw fata on warlock being picked up 1 vs 5 with a smokegank,
when sigma slowly began to stabalise.
it was unfortunate, that it went this way, but that smoke was nessecary because they knew they had to go highground soon, or they may lose the game. and you dont go highground against a warlock, with everything ready.

dont get me wrong, but if you have all 3 lanes constantly pushing into your towers,
you are not solely tending to lose this game, because of that awsome lycan splitpush.


Golem cooldown: 165 s

Lycan ult cooldown: 40 s
Necro 3 cooldown: 95 s

Warlock does not stop a Lycan pushing.



:D thanks for this post man.
it just shows that you dont get what this game is all about at all.
there is NO WAY that you pick a certain hero, just to counter another one.
its not gonna happen, you can argue like this with every other hero too.

and then, you reduce warlock to his golem
thats a bad mistake sir.


Go play Icarus vs Silencer and keep repeating that to yourself. Maybe it'll ease the pain, idk.




okok i take everything back now, as it seems, that TL.net only play 1on1 mid.

at least thats how 99% of you argues about lycan.
i know that warlock has his flaws and so on, but i play 5on5 and thats something most of you seem to be unexperienced in.

at that dota mode i play (5on5) you pick a team that works against a certain type of play
i am sorry that i didnt mention that before.


Lycan doesn't play 5on5 either.
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-11 18:02:05
March 11 2014 18:01 GMT
#98366
Yeah and warlock is awful against rat.

E: Fuck i'm late again.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-11 18:04:16
March 11 2014 18:02 GMT
#98367
ScarPe, if you wanted to discuss a team comp, you could have done that, rather than singling out the Warlock pick. Everyone focused on that because YOU drew attention to it.
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Daozzt
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1263 Posts
March 11 2014 18:05 GMT
#98368
We need more experienced 5on5 players to post their opinions in this thread.
Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
March 11 2014 18:08 GMT
#98369
I'm an experienced 5on5 player and I can confirm warlock is an amazing pick vs lycan.

Fatal bonds shreds those wolves + the big bad wolf himself as well - great spell, would recommend use.
You must gather your party before venturing forth.
Acritter
Profile Joined August 2010
Syria7637 Posts
March 11 2014 18:12 GMT
#98370
Isn't the solution to Lycan generally to take rax before he gets farmed enough that he can push faster than the rest of your team combined? I mean, that or getting a ridiculous pick-off lineup?
dont let your memes be dreams - konydora, motivational speaker | not actually living in syria
ScarPe
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany392 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-11 18:16:50
March 11 2014 18:15 GMT
#98371
well that i keep up with warlock, is a bit of trolling i have to admit

but thats the simplifyed discussion i read here:
"we want to search sth that works good against lycan"

your solution:
"lets look for a hero that can gank him while splitpushing all the time, hey pick storm and furion"

first expectation:
"but lycan will just buy bkb and you wont be able to gank him anymore"

"ok thats imba, lycan needs to be nerfed next patch for sure"


storm and furion are very good heros against lycan.
but the possibility to gank him because of their unmatched mobility is the least about that 2 heros that counters the lycan splitpush.

in fact, its the other way around:
their higher mobility allows them to push out the lanes pretty far and still be safe with it
and the rest of the team can deal with the lane thats actually pushed right now,
or getting important wards up, to scout the ganks that are mostly going on, because thats what the other 4 heros in the enemy team do.

this creates space aka "time-windows" your team can use to archieve goals on the map and still being able to react on whats lycan doing.
Awaken my child and embrace the glory that is your birthright. -[The Overmind]
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
March 11 2014 18:16 GMT
#98372
I can also confirm, as a frequent player of dota games where 10 people are involved in a 5v5, that beastmaster is awful against lycan.

beastmaster's summons versus lycan's summons is not even a fight
boar vs mini lycans
pigs vs wolves

needless to say, we've all read that fairy tale before.
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 11 2014 18:20 GMT
#98373
On March 12 2014 03:15 ScarPe wrote:
well that i keep up with warlock, is a bit of trolling i have to admit

Please don't do that then. If you have a point, make it.
Moderator
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
March 11 2014 18:22 GMT
#98374
On March 12 2014 03:15 ScarPe wrote:
well that i keep up with warlock, is a bit of trolling i have to admit

For some reason I don't believe you, but whatever.
Moderator
ScarPe
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany392 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-11 18:28:15
March 11 2014 18:27 GMT
#98375
í hope you have read the rest of that post too.
as that is really the biggest problem in here, because your aproaches are just bullshit in a 5on5 game.

aka:
"my ultimate has 40 seconds cooldown"
"your ultimate has 120 seconds cooldown"
"my ultimate does 300 dmg"
"your ultimate does 400 dmg"

"i guess mine is way better, so my hero is also better"
Awaken my child and embrace the glory that is your birthright. -[The Overmind]
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
March 11 2014 18:28 GMT
#98376
On March 12 2014 03:16 andyrau wrote:
I can also confirm, as a frequent player of dota games where 10 people are involved in a 5v5, that beastmaster is awful against lycan.

beastmaster's summons versus lycan's summons is not even a fight
boar vs mini lycans
pigs vs wolves

needless to say, we've all read that fairy tale before.


It isnt about the summons.
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-11 18:32:15
March 11 2014 18:31 GMT
#98377
On March 12 2014 03:27 ScarPe wrote:
í hope you have read the rest of that post too.
as that is really the biggest problem in here, because your aproaches are just bullshit in a 5on5 game.

aka:
"my ultimate has 40 seconds cooldown"
"your ultimate has 120 seconds cooldown"
"my ultimate does 300 dmg"
"your ultimate does 400 dmg"

"i guess mine is way better, so my hero is also better"

Well thats not at all what anybody was saying so...
On March 12 2014 03:28 govie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2014 03:16 andyrau wrote:
I can also confirm, as a frequent player of dota games where 10 people are involved in a 5v5, that beastmaster is awful against lycan.

beastmaster's summons versus lycan's summons is not even a fight
boar vs mini lycans
pigs vs wolves

needless to say, we've all read that fairy tale before.


It isnt about the summons.

He's making a joke referencing a children's fairytale/storybook. And poking fun at warlock dude.
LiquidDota StaffSCIENTISTS BAFFLED | 3275929302
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
March 11 2014 18:51 GMT
#98378
wat the fuck am i waking up to boys
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Dubzex
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6994 Posts
March 11 2014 18:52 GMT
#98379
What if the LoL champ mangix was ported into dota 2? Could it handle lycan better than warlock?
"DONT UNDERESTIMATE MY CARRY OR YOU WILL BE CARRIED INTO THE ABYSS OF SUFFERING" - Tyler 'TC' Cook
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
March 11 2014 18:58 GMT
#98380
and what if tree had more base damage eg throws #demondoto drums yes or fuck yes pa farms faster than antimage all casters are bad legacy hotkeys concede visible mmr

There, I think that's everything.
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