|
|
On March 12 2014 01:45 Sn0_Man wrote:
The y part is gud. The s part does pretty much nothing.
if ur referring to warlock it was more 5 people trying to educate 1 less intelligent person who refused to be educated. If ur referring to void we are practising our sarcasm and satire.
s makes her tankier
and i guess it gives her a slow so she can semi-stack it with lifesteal if you can't be bothered to cast frost arrow late game.
also maim goes through bkb.
On March 12 2014 01:49 Comeh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2014 01:42 andyrau wrote:
lmao are we really arguing that a hero with one disable on a 2 minute+ cd and no dps scaling has the ability to stop/kill another hero with 522ms every 40 seconds?
on another note idk why people are flaming sny on drow, shit is legit Who's flaming sny drow? Its a solid build, especially because manta is so "ehhhhhhhhhhhh" on her.
lookit all these ppl flaming sny
|
United States47024 Posts
On March 12 2014 01:45 Sn0_Man wrote:
The y part is gud. The s part does pretty much nothing.
16 damage, a 6% upgrade to the MS component, and 300 HP is hardly nothing.
I'm not going to go out of my way to make S&Y on Drow, but if the game called for a casual Yasha within my first 3 items, I wouldn't feel bad about making S&Y over any of the alternatives (sell Yasha to make room for big item later, make Manta).
Manta on Drow is really only good for breaking high ground or as an absolute last item when you already have a bunch of stat items to back it up because it's inherent usefulness on her is very weak given that she has poor Agi gain and illusions don't benefit from Marksmanship anymore.
|
On March 12 2014 02:00 andyrau wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2014 01:45 Sn0_Man wrote:
The y part is gud. The s part does pretty much nothing.
if ur referring to warlock it was more 5 people trying to educate 1 less intelligent person who refused to be educated. If ur referring to void we are practising our sarcasm and satire. s makes her tankier and i guess it gives her a slow so she can semi-stack it with lifesteal if you can't be bothered to cast frost arrow late game. also maim goes through bkb. Show nested quote +On March 12 2014 01:49 Comeh wrote:On March 12 2014 01:42 andyrau wrote:
lmao are we really arguing that a hero with one disable on a 2 minute+ cd and no dps scaling has the ability to stop/kill another hero with 522ms every 40 seconds?
on another note idk why people are flaming sny on drow, shit is legit Who's flaming sny drow? Its a solid build, especially because manta is so "ehhhhhhhhhhhh" on her. lookit all these ppl flaming sny
Wait, SnY has a slow mechanic on it?
|
Netherlands45349 Posts
Manta is nice for splitpushing/farming and dodging projectiles/dispelling spells.
|
On March 12 2014 02:01 Comeh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2014 02:00 andyrau wrote:On March 12 2014 01:45 Sn0_Man wrote:
The y part is gud. The s part does pretty much nothing.
if ur referring to warlock it was more 5 people trying to educate 1 less intelligent person who refused to be educated. If ur referring to void we are practising our sarcasm and satire. s makes her tankier and i guess it gives her a slow so she can semi-stack it with lifesteal if you can't be bothered to cast frost arrow late game. also maim goes through bkb. On March 12 2014 01:49 Comeh wrote:On March 12 2014 01:42 andyrau wrote:
lmao are we really arguing that a hero with one disable on a 2 minute+ cd and no dps scaling has the ability to stop/kill another hero with 522ms every 40 seconds?
on another note idk why people are flaming sny on drow, shit is legit Who's flaming sny drow? Its a solid build, especially because manta is so "ehhhhhhhhhhhh" on her. lookit all these ppl flaming sny Wait, SnY has a slow mechanic on it?
rofl what
http://dota2.gamepedia.com/Sange_and_Yasha#Ability
|
On March 12 2014 02:01 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On March 12 2014 01:45 Sn0_Man wrote:
The y part is gud. The s part does pretty much nothing. 16 damage, a 6% upgrade to the MS component, and 300 HP is hardly nothing. I'm not going to go out of my way to make S&Y on Drow, but if the game called for a casual Yasha within my first 3 items, I wouldn't feel bad about making S&Y over any of the alternatives (sell Yasha to make room for big item later, make Manta). Manta on Drow is really only good for breaking high ground or as an absolute last item when you already have a bunch of stat items to back it up because it's inherent usefulness on her is very weak given that she has poor Agi gain and illusions don't benefit from Marksmanship anymore.
manta lets you dislodge projectiles,sny does nothing better for you
I'm actually kinda shocked you out off all people are arguing for a scenario to pick it up
don't get me wrong btw i'm far from advocating manta on drow in the first place but i can see how it can be useful in some scenarios
|
Yo the S part of SnY is like a drums only more expensive for less utility and stops u going manta. Okay, 7 more str is kinda a lot but I don't think it makes the item good.
You can't argue slots either cuz SnY is an earlygame item and if ur running out of slots you still have the manta upgrade path and drums selling is no big deal on a 6-slot hero.
|
The maim is good, the 16% ms is good, the hp is good. What's the argument again?
|
On March 12 2014 02:08 Daozzt wrote:
The maim is good, the 16% ms is good, the hp is good. What's the argument again?
the maim is bad because you have a skill that slows people for 60%,ms is bad because blink dagger and mom have become a staple for drow,hp is ok but it won't help you if you get caught since you are drow.the argument is that there shouldn't be any argument for such an item on her
|
United States47024 Posts
On March 12 2014 02:03 Kipsate wrote:
Manta is nice for splitpushing/farming and dodging projectiles/dispelling spells.
At the cost of 1k more, while providing less of any relevant stats.
Manta doesn't do nothing, but it the Yasha->Manta upgrade doesn't pull 3k gold worth of weight on a hero that makes absolutely shit illusions. At that point you're basically turning the item into a glorified Linken's.
Also, did we suddenly forget that there's damage on S&Y that Yasha doesn't have?
|
Maim is ass on drow. The S part is 6% ms not exactly absurd. The hp is the only reasonable part and while it's definitely a reason, I'm of the opinion that MOST games there are better ways to mitigate damage.
E: oke i'm slow
|
United States47024 Posts
I'm not saying that S&Y is some amazing item for Drow, but really all possible options of things you can do with a Yasha aren't that good and making S&Y happens to be the least shit of those choices in a lot of situations.
Neither Manta nor S&Y are really impactful items for Drow to buy, despite Yasha being nice, so ultimately the take-away is that you should only buy Yasha when you really need that small timing because all follow-ups to it are going to be awkward.
|
i can live with that,still think the best solution in that situation where you buy a yasha is to sit on it and eventually sell it if you need slots
|
Czech Republic18921 Posts
Honestly, I think people are way overrating drums and underrating sny now. The days when sny was a shit pub item are long gone. For the past couple patches, drums have been getting nerfed and sny buffed. Since 6.74, sny got +4 damage, +1 AS, +1% maim chance, +2% slow, +1s slow duration, +4% MS bonus and you can disassamble it. At the same time, drums had the cost increased by 125 gold, lost 6 damage and gained a charge.
|
Hmmm, I'd never considered it before now but I bet bloodseeker's legit vs lycan. He can't really jungle from early levels if bs gets thirst, and late game BS can actually outrun lycan ult (wtfhax). Plus dat rupture hp-removal etc. Though you lose manfights pretty much always which has its drawbacks.
On March 12 2014 02:16 cecek wrote:
Honestly, I think people are way overrating drums and underrating sny now. The days when sny was a shit pub item are long gone. For the past couple patches, drums have been getting nerfed and sny buffed. Since 6.74, sny got +4 damage, +1 AS, +1% maim chance, +2% slow, +1s slow duration, +4% MS bonus and you can disassamble it. At the same time, drums had the cost increased by 125 gold, lost 6 damage and gained a charge.
Sure and if u compare DrumsNYasha to SangeNYasha dny is still basically better. SnY isn't shit tier but drow is really not the hero i'd be getting it on.
I think my calculations are assuming ur an agi hero here btw.
|
United States47024 Posts
On March 12 2014 02:13 Ru ba wrote:
i can live with that,still think the best solution in that situation where you buy a yasha is to sit on it and eventually sell it if you need slots
Yes, but as I've always mentioned when it comes to items like Vanguard or S&Y, it's a non-negligible number of situations where you have 5 items+TP (even including small items like Wand or Aquila), are going to have a major fight soon, and using 2k to finish the item is just going to provide a greater boost to your fighting power than selling something and trying to buy some less cost-effective component for a different item--and certainly more than sitting on the gold. The value of the won fight is often going to be far higher than any difference in effectiveness in your item choices (especially if it's a fight that prevents you from getting raxed, lets you take a rax, or gets a Rosh).
|
er,idk about that id rather not buy anything and have a buyback hmm
unless you mean that I have 2k gold and than some for bb,than I guess i see the point
we're really just splitting hairs here tho xd
|
On March 12 2014 02:10 Sn0_Man wrote:
Maim is ass on drow.
how is maim ass on drow
32% movespeed and attackspeed slow
that's almost a skadi slow
On March 12 2014 02:16 cecek wrote:
Honestly, I think people are way overrating drums and underrating sny now. The days when sny was a shit pub item are long gone. For the past couple patches, drums have been getting nerfed and sny buffed. Since 6.74, sny got +4 damage, +1 AS, +1% maim chance, +2% slow, +1s slow duration, +4% MS bonus and you can disassamble it. At the same time, drums had the cost increased by 125 gold, lost 6 damage and gained a charge.
I remember a time in dota 1 where everyone got sny
|
United States47024 Posts
On March 12 2014 02:20 Ru ba wrote:
er,idk about that id rather not buy anything and have a buyback hmm
unless you mean that I have 2k gold and than some for bb,than I guess i see the point
we're really just splitting hairs here tho xd
That's only helpful for the fight defending rax. In any other scenario like a Rosh fight, Drow dying early enough for a buyback to do anything should be a lost fight either way because the hero's not built to ever be the first one in.
|
On March 12 2014 02:23 andyrau wrote:how is maim ass on drow 32% movespeed and attackspeed slow that's almost a skadi slow Show nested quote +On March 12 2014 02:16 cecek wrote:
Honestly, I think people are way overrating drums and underrating sny now. The days when sny was a shit pub item are long gone. For the past couple patches, drums have been getting nerfed and sny buffed. Since 6.74, sny got +4 damage, +1 AS, +1% maim chance, +2% slow, +1s slow duration, +4% MS bonus and you can disassamble it. At the same time, drums had the cost increased by 125 gold, lost 6 damage and gained a charge. I remember a time in dota 1 where everyone got sny
It's bad if you have frost arrows on auto cast and never alternate/manual cast.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
