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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-05 22:36:46
March 05 2014 22:36 GMT
#97921
On March 06 2014 07:33 Comeh wrote:
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On March 06 2014 07:31 TheYango wrote:
There's also just the fact that the tempo of games in 6.79 fit Luna's early 5-man pushing power far better. Gyrocopter is somewhat more well-rounded and with a power curve that is a little shifted toward later portions of the game (Luna has a strong push timing with 2-4 ranks aura + first minor item, as well as a stronger BKB timing, while Gyro is somewhat more powerful at BKB+1 and is a little scarier to back-line heroes in the lategame).

Worth noting that Luna is a bit faster of a farmer for the most part, however.

It depends. She's a more self-reliant farmer, but Gyro has much more explosive farm potential if his team babies him super hard. Though that's not really a beneficial quality given the nature of support play in 6.79-6.80.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
March 05 2014 22:37 GMT
#97922
On March 06 2014 07:36 TheYango wrote:
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On March 06 2014 07:33 Comeh wrote:
On March 06 2014 07:31 TheYango wrote:
There's also just the fact that the tempo of games in 6.79 fit Luna's early 5-man pushing power far better. Gyrocopter is somewhat more well-rounded and with a power curve that is a little shifted toward later portions of the game (Luna has a strong push timing with 2-4 ranks aura + first minor item, as well as a stronger BKB timing, while Gyro is somewhat more powerful at BKB+1 and is a little scarier to back-line heroes in the lategame).

Worth noting that Luna is a bit faster of a farmer for the most part, however.

It depends. She's a more self-reliant farmer, but Gyro has much more explosive farm potential if his team babies him super hard. Though that's not really a beneficial quality given the nature of support play in 6.79-6.80.

True. If you hit that situation where you realize you are behind and your only chance is to sit behind your carry while he farms, gyro is better in those situations. Also 30s CD on flak is sad.
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
March 05 2014 22:40 GMT
#97923
theres literally no situation where gyro farms faster than luna
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
March 05 2014 22:42 GMT
#97924
On March 06 2014 07:40 teddyoojo wrote:
theres literally no situation where gyro farms faster than luna

Well, technically he can kill stacked ancients faster if he has a rapier + another damage item. That's about it though.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-05 22:45:12
March 05 2014 22:43 GMT
#97925
Like I said, the situation where he gets babied super hard. As in, the supports stack all 3 adjacent camps jungle camps and you clear all of them because Flak Cannon lets you hit everything while Luna would have to clear the camps one at a time.

It's not practical anymore, but 6.75-6.78 did see supports play like this for Gyro on a couple occasions.
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AndyJay
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia833 Posts
March 05 2014 22:44 GMT
#97926
Ancients are going to die in seconds to a Luna with a DR as well. How about in any 30 second window a Luna is going to farm faster than a Gyro.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 05 2014 22:45 GMT
#97927
Also, Gyro+Wisp is generally just more effective than Luna+Wisp, which meant that in a metagame that favored Wisp heavily, his enhancement in farming power to carries that don't naturally have the means to split-push that far out significantly helped the carry that worked better with him.
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
March 05 2014 23:08 GMT
#97928
On March 06 2014 05:10 Erasme wrote:
alur's down
+45

Erasme down
+24
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
March 05 2014 23:09 GMT
#97929
On March 06 2014 08:08 Firebolt145 wrote:
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On March 06 2014 05:10 Erasme wrote:
alur's down
+45

Erasme down
+24

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
March 05 2014 23:10 GMT
#97930
On March 06 2014 05:10 Erasme wrote:
alur's down
+45

erasme down
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
March 05 2014 23:11 GMT
#97931
stackers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
March 05 2014 23:35 GMT
#97932
i just found out beastmaster axes 1shot lvl1 visage birds...
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
March 05 2014 23:54 GMT
#97933
lol, Arteezy just got 1 point winning a game with Terrorblade. His reaction, " I'm never fukcing playing Terrorblade again".
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
March 06 2014 00:10 GMT
#97934
u dont deserve more than 1 point for playing terrorblade
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 06 2014 00:27 GMT
#97935
On March 06 2014 09:10 teddyoojo wrote:
u dont deserve more than 1 point for playing terrorblade

What, sunder is totally balanced and a fine ability. Nothing wrong with it at all.
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TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28102 Posts
March 06 2014 00:34 GMT
#97936
The problem isn't that Sunder is imba, it's that people are dumb and let TB's Sunder them.
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DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
March 06 2014 00:40 GMT
#97937
On March 06 2014 09:27 Plansix wrote:
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On March 06 2014 09:10 teddyoojo wrote:
u dont deserve more than 1 point for playing terrorblade

What, sunder is totally balanced and a fine ability. Nothing wrong with it at all.

Imo sunder is a pretty shitty ulti, only the bkb-piercing stun that is good with it. It's his stupid towersiege potential that is broken. All other illu heroes needs items for their illus to be strong, but not TB ._.
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
March 06 2014 00:40 GMT
#97938
yeah i thought it was a joke, emphasis on how sunder is the only spell that isnt ridiculous
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 06 2014 00:48 GMT
#97939
On March 06 2014 08:35 teddyoojo wrote:
i just found out beastmaster axes 1shot lvl1 visage birds...

That's a consequence of them being changed from having 96% Magic Resistance to being Magic Immune in 6.80. Mixed damage is reduced by magic resistance, but does damage through magic immunity.

It means that Familiars now take a lot more damage from Mixed damage sources (Beastmaster Axes, Leshrac's Edict, Alchemist's Acid Spray), but conversely are untargetable by Pure damage sources (Bane, PA, Enchantress, etc.). This is a large net buff because there are a lot more Pure damage sources in the game, and until Techies is in, Wild Axes are the only burst damage Mixed damage spell that can be used to snipe Familiars.
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Aui_2000
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada435 Posts
March 06 2014 00:58 GMT
#97940
On March 06 2014 09:48 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 08:35 teddyoojo wrote:
i just found out beastmaster axes 1shot lvl1 visage birds...

That's a consequence of them being changed from having 96% Magic Resistance to being Magic Immune in 6.80. Mixed damage is reduced by magic resistance, but does damage through magic immunity.

It means that Familiars now take a lot more damage from Mixed damage sources (Beastmaster Axes, Leshrac's Edict, Alchemist's Acid Spray), but conversely are untargetable by Pure damage sources (Bane, PA, Enchantress, etc.). This is a large net buff because there are a lot more Pure damage sources in the game, and until Techies is in, Wild Axes are the only burst damage Mixed damage spell that can be used to snipe Familiars.


Also gets hurt from universal dmg like tinker march (!!) and midnight pulse. I think it's only better because people aren't picking anti familiar heroes even though visage is a first 2 pick.
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