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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 05 2014 17:54 GMT
#97901
On March 06 2014 02:46 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 02:42 Kipsate wrote:
Doto Tourament overkill right now

what do

We've reached full SC2 level.

I honestly think this isn't a good thing tbh.

It's natural and then the culling. Followed by the people claiming the game is dying.

I have picked one league to follow and that's the D2dream league. Everything else is sort of dead to me.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
March 05 2014 17:54 GMT
#97902
I wanna watch both DreamLeague and StarLadder #firstworldproblems
EZ4ENCE
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
March 05 2014 17:55 GMT
#97903
On March 06 2014 02:16 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 01:55 govie wrote:
On March 06 2014 00:21 Plansix wrote:
On March 06 2014 00:14 willstertben wrote:
this system is beyond retarded. last night i played with some spirit breaker who was utterly shit, charged to his death every time and didn't have detection against shadow blade np. i didn't even say anything except one time i asked him to buy some dust so might actually kill him. the guy just raged at me and said muted + reported. now i win too hard and get reported again. and then im muted for 1 week.

nice system valve. welp, smurf time.

The syst seems fine to me. I never get muted or put into lpq. I give people pointers all the time. I explains to a guy yesterday that one of the powers of antimage, beyond fast farming, was his ability to safely split push while doing so. He didn't freak out our try to report me.

It might just be you. You can't change valve, so you might look to yourself.


The system can be better tho. Like, when u get low prio, u just push mid with 5 and 1 hour later your good to go in normal qeue. If you are in a 5stack low prio only takes 30 minutes or something like that (axe+early rosh thing). Do you really think people will bad manner less after 1 hour of ancient rushing? Next to that, when you win alot of games you get placed with lesser skilled people, this is by far my biggest actuator to vent some steam. If valve would fix matchmaking that the skillevelbandwith is less then it is now for some lobsided games, it would save alot of aggrevation, reports, bad manner and whatsoever.

I.e. When you are on a winningstreak they could also raise the rating on the other team instead of lowering your rating. DFor people on a losingstreak they could lower the rating of the opponentsteam. Its a more positive adjustment of your games, i dont think they are doing this atm (not sure ofc).

Wow I wasn't aware it was possible to be this wrong


Oh pls snoman..
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
March 05 2014 18:07 GMT
#97904
On March 06 2014 02:54 WindWolf wrote:
I wanna watch both DreamLeague and StarLadder #firstworldproblems

Yeah, I want to keeps fiancé, so I picked one.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Talron
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany7651 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-05 18:35:16
March 05 2014 18:35 GMT
#97905
Just choose the match, which has either your favorite teams or the most interesting draft. If both are not really indicative of what you wanna watch, choose the match, which has more kills. That's what I usually do. I'm a weird human, I know.
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SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
March 05 2014 18:43 GMT
#97906
It's not that diferent from last year. It's not the first time there are 3-4 games hapenning at the same time, and it will happen again next year. It's just that we were at a slow phase and are gearing up to the pre-TI4 marathon.
Aixler
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands946 Posts
March 05 2014 18:54 GMT
#97907
On March 06 2014 02:54 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 02:46 Comeh wrote:
On March 06 2014 02:42 Kipsate wrote:
Doto Tourament overkill right now

what do

We've reached full SC2 level.

I honestly think this isn't a good thing tbh.

It's natural and then the culling. Followed by the people claiming the game is dying.

I have picked one league to follow and that's the D2dream league. Everything else is sort of dead to me.

Yeah, I did the same thing. Honestly, this decision was mostly decided based on the casters. Draskyl + Lumi is just too good.
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
March 05 2014 19:43 GMT
#97908
I don't think there's too many events overall, what's retarded is that all these high profile tournaments are all happening at the same time. Two weeks ago, you were barely able to see a top team playing and now we have this situation.
super gg
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
March 05 2014 20:10 GMT
#97909
alur's down
+45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-05 21:20:59
March 05 2014 21:18 GMT
#97910
On March 06 2014 00:34 -Celestial- wrote:
Just to note - Invoker got a non-trivial Wex buff in the patch before as well:
"EMP restores Invoker for 50% of the mana it drains from heroes (excluding illusions)
Invoke Max Spells rescaled from 1/2/2/2 to 2 "


Yeah your right. Those we're quite huge.

Really hope they won't revert the invoke change, gotten so used to having 2 spells available early.

Speaking of heroes that feel a little to good, what do you guys think about Luna?
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ScarPe
Profile Joined January 2010
Germany392 Posts
March 05 2014 21:37 GMT
#97911
invoker is just fine right now.
people just have to accept, that you need 2-3 arcboots if you play against him.

teamfight -> emp -> 3 arcboots -> kill them.
its such an easy solution
Awaken my child and embrace the glory that is your birthright. -[The Overmind]
ahw
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1099 Posts
March 05 2014 21:38 GMT
#97912
On March 06 2014 06:18 Zorgaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 00:34 -Celestial- wrote:
Just to note - Invoker got a non-trivial Wex buff in the patch before as well:
"EMP restores Invoker for 50% of the mana it drains from heroes (excluding illusions)
Invoke Max Spells rescaled from 1/2/2/2 to 2 "


Yeah your right. Those we're quite huge.

Really hope they won't revert the invoke change, gotten so used to having 2 spells available early.

Speaking of heroes that feel a little to good, what do you guys think about Luna?


The invoke change is great, but playing against a wex invoker is about as fun as a root canal. I think some changes are needed just to fix the hero in pubs, kind of like they did with brood. Not a fun hero, used to be.

Luna is just one of the most flexible carries right now. I don't know any change that would work for her without dropping her off. Strong team push carries make games more interesting to watch, too.
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
March 05 2014 21:48 GMT
#97913
On March 06 2014 06:38 ahw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 06:18 Zorgaz wrote:
On March 06 2014 00:34 -Celestial- wrote:
Just to note - Invoker got a non-trivial Wex buff in the patch before as well:
"EMP restores Invoker for 50% of the mana it drains from heroes (excluding illusions)
Invoke Max Spells rescaled from 1/2/2/2 to 2 "


Yeah your right. Those we're quite huge.

Really hope they won't revert the invoke change, gotten so used to having 2 spells available early.

Speaking of heroes that feel a little to good, what do you guys think about Luna?


The invoke change is great, but playing against a wex invoker is about as fun as a root canal. I think some changes are needed just to fix the hero in pubs, kind of like they did with brood. Not a fun hero, used to be.

Luna is just one of the most flexible carries right now. I don't know any change that would work for her without dropping her off. Strong team push carries make games more interesting to watch, too.


Playing against Tide, Enigma or Naga isn't really that fun either. But I don't know that that's a compelling reason to change something. Otherwise NP would have been changed years ago. KotL too.
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Ru ba
Profile Joined February 2014
Serbia1812 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-05 22:18:50
March 05 2014 22:16 GMT
#97914
Lunas popularity has largely to do with gyros downfall.The flak cannon nerf was a pretty big hit and also his attack range got gutted so people turned to Luna again who got buffed like every patch for the last idk how many months.
these things happen
I wouldn't say that they are the same hero but they both fill a very similar role.For a while there was literally no reason for picking luna because gyro did everything she could just better.
u gotta farm
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
March 05 2014 22:18 GMT
#97915
On March 06 2014 07:16 Ru ba wrote:
gyros attack range got gutted

10 range

The real change was just letting glaives double-hit things.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 05 2014 22:18 GMT
#97916
On March 06 2014 06:37 ScarPe wrote:
invoker is just fine right now.
people just have to accept, that you need 2-3 arcboots if you play against him.

teamfight -> emp -> 3 arcboots -> kill them.
its such an easy solution

It is worth noting that since the last time Quas Wex Invoker was popular, Arcane Boots's mana restore has been nerfed twice.
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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-05 22:19:57
March 05 2014 22:19 GMT
#97917
There are also definitely a lot of heroes that can't fight with 3 (or 4, or 5) arcane boots worth of mana. Although admittedly those are generally the heroes that still have mana after being EMP'd.
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Ru ba
Profile Joined February 2014
Serbia1812 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-03-05 22:21:58
March 05 2014 22:21 GMT
#97918
On March 06 2014 07:18 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 06 2014 07:16 Ru ba wrote:
gyros attack range got gutted

10 range

The real change was just letting glaives double-hit things.

i mean,yea.she essentially got way better at clearing ancients/hitting things/buildings while gyro got slammed for 10 seconds more on his flack cannon.
u gotta farm
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
March 05 2014 22:31 GMT
#97919
There's also just the fact that the tempo of games in 6.79 fit Luna's early 5-man pushing power far better. Gyrocopter is somewhat more well-rounded and with a power curve that is a little shifted toward later portions of the game (Luna has a strong push timing with 2-4 ranks aura + first minor item, as well as a stronger BKB timing, while Gyro is somewhat more powerful at BKB+1 and is a little scarier to back-line heroes in the lategame).
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
March 05 2014 22:33 GMT
#97920
On March 06 2014 07:31 TheYango wrote:
There's also just the fact that the tempo of games in 6.79 fit Luna's early 5-man pushing power far better. Gyrocopter is somewhat more well-rounded and with a power curve that is a little shifted toward later portions of the game (Luna has a strong push timing with 2-4 ranks aura + first minor item, as well as a stronger BKB timing, while Gyro is somewhat more powerful at BKB+1 and is a little scarier to back-line heroes in the lategame).

Worth noting that Luna is a bit faster of a farmer for the most part, however.
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