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Esoterikk
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1256 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-09 20:55:56
February 09 2014 20:54 GMT
#96441
On February 10 2014 05:51 zeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2014 05:49 Esoterikk wrote:
On February 10 2014 05:44 Unleashing wrote:
On February 10 2014 05:42 Esoterikk wrote:
LoL is more mechanically reliant as well, it's a lot more twitch based imo, In Dota if you have weak mechanics you can get away with good drafts and decision making/positioning but in LoL if you have weak mechanics you are weak at LoL.

I'll have to disagree. Mechanics are incredibly important in DotA, just as much as in LoL if not even more so because things in DotA tend to pack a bigger punch in a shorter amount of time, especially early on.


That doesn't sound like mechanics, mechanics are the ability to land skill shots, hit every combo in the proper order and landing every spell on a specific champion in a team fight while staying alive and still landing stuff and keeping your order proper. Higher cost, Higher damage, Higher CD nukes in Dota mean you are less reliant on your mechanics to fight someone and more on how you position that fight and when/where/how you take it.

1. Play Meepo
2. Play Invoker
3. Play Chen
4. Come back and talk about mechanics


Again that's micro not mechanics... Invoker is a decent example of a mechanically difficult hero though. I never said Dota didn't need mechanics, I said they play a bigger role in your ability to be good at LoL than they do in Dota.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-09 21:13:04
February 09 2014 21:03 GMT
#96442
On February 10 2014 05:54 Esoterikk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2014 05:51 zeo wrote:
On February 10 2014 05:49 Esoterikk wrote:
On February 10 2014 05:44 Unleashing wrote:
On February 10 2014 05:42 Esoterikk wrote:
LoL is more mechanically reliant as well, it's a lot more twitch based imo, In Dota if you have weak mechanics you can get away with good drafts and decision making/positioning but in LoL if you have weak mechanics you are weak at LoL.

I'll have to disagree. Mechanics are incredibly important in DotA, just as much as in LoL if not even more so because things in DotA tend to pack a bigger punch in a shorter amount of time, especially early on.


That doesn't sound like mechanics, mechanics are the ability to land skill shots, hit every combo in the proper order and landing every spell on a specific champion in a team fight while staying alive and still landing stuff and keeping your order proper. Higher cost, Higher damage, Higher CD nukes in Dota mean you are less reliant on your mechanics to fight someone and more on how you position that fight and when/where/how you take it.

1. Play Meepo
2. Play Invoker
3. Play Chen
4. Come back and talk about mechanics


Again that's micro not mechanics... Invoker is a decent example of a mechanically difficult hero though.

I don't understand, how are micro and mechanics not heavily dependent on each other? This isn't Brood War, there is no macro so micro is the only mechanic...

Being able to spam out the spells you want very fast gives you a bigger edge in LoL is what I understand from your post. But I think there is a whole other layer with the items in dota that make pulling off 'stuff' fast much harder.

edit: apm in dota and dota-like games is a kind of weird territory, I doubt any pro player has less than 400 apm just because of all the move commands and to keep their reaction times quick
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Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-09 21:14:41
February 09 2014 21:12 GMT
#96443
On February 10 2014 05:54 Esoterikk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2014 05:51 zeo wrote:
On February 10 2014 05:49 Esoterikk wrote:
On February 10 2014 05:44 Unleashing wrote:
On February 10 2014 05:42 Esoterikk wrote:
LoL is more mechanically reliant as well, it's a lot more twitch based imo, In Dota if you have weak mechanics you can get away with good drafts and decision making/positioning but in LoL if you have weak mechanics you are weak at LoL.

I'll have to disagree. Mechanics are incredibly important in DotA, just as much as in LoL if not even more so because things in DotA tend to pack a bigger punch in a shorter amount of time, especially early on.


That doesn't sound like mechanics, mechanics are the ability to land skill shots, hit every combo in the proper order and landing every spell on a specific champion in a team fight while staying alive and still landing stuff and keeping your order proper. Higher cost, Higher damage, Higher CD nukes in Dota mean you are less reliant on your mechanics to fight someone and more on how you position that fight and when/where/how you take it.

1. Play Meepo
2. Play Invoker
3. Play Chen
4. Come back and talk about mechanics


Again that's micro not mechanics... Invoker is a decent example of a mechanically difficult hero though. I never said Dota didn't need mechanics, I said they play a bigger role in your ability to be good at LoL than they do in Dota.

How good you micro is most definitely a part of your mechanics as a player. Lmfao.

Also having more spammy spells doesn't mean you need better mechanics to play the hero. Because the exact same argument could be made for the reverse, that you need good enough mechanics to use the one shot you have at using said spell and not fuck it up because of the averagely longer cooldown and higher mana cost.
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Profile Joined January 2004
Sweden2870 Posts
February 09 2014 21:13 GMT
#96444
I think the point is that dota is not a mechanically difficult game almost regardless of which hero you use. The skill comes more from knowing when and where to use an ability or item, not from actually executing it.

I had about 110 apm playing starcraft and I have perhaps 30 when playing dota and I don't feel like it's effecting me even if I play meepo (I suck at meepo, but not because I'm not fast enough).

Even small things like thread switching or dropping items is more rote memory and habit than it's macro. It's like macroing in broodwar only much easier to do mechanically yet it's still only good people who does it.
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kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
February 09 2014 21:15 GMT
#96445
This is such a stupid conversation
red_
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8474 Posts
February 09 2014 21:19 GMT
#96446
On February 10 2014 06:15 kollin wrote:
This is such a stupid conversation


Wisdom.
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solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
February 09 2014 21:19 GMT
#96447
It always is when people start comparing LoL, HoN and Dota
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
February 09 2014 21:51 GMT
#96448
On February 10 2014 06:15 kollin wrote:
This is such a stupid conversation

word, kupo and firebolt's posts have more than answered the question

everyone needs to move on
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Darkren
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1841 Posts
February 09 2014 22:07 GMT
#96449
On February 10 2014 06:19 solidbebe wrote:
It always is when people start comparing LoL, HoN and Dota


It's called superior moba
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Greenstripe
Profile Joined April 2010
United States164 Posts
February 09 2014 22:16 GMT
#96450
Let's just remember dota was the game for noobs who couldn't handle wc3 ladder.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
February 09 2014 22:17 GMT
#96451
superior moba
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
February 09 2014 22:22 GMT
#96452
Let's talk about ARTS
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Qbek
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Poland12923 Posts
February 09 2014 22:28 GMT
#96453
You guys are boring, no creativity, no graphs, no pictures
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cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
February 09 2014 22:34 GMT
#96454
Blizzard Allstars is going to be the best Hero Brawler genre game ever made, just you wait.
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idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-09 22:55:26
February 09 2014 22:54 GMT
#96455
On February 10 2014 07:16 Greenstripe wrote:
Let's just remember dota was the game for noobs who couldn't handle wc3 ladder.


While we are at it lets just remember that wc3 was a game for the noobs who couldn't handle broodwar.
beef42
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Denmark1037 Posts
February 09 2014 22:55 GMT
#96456
I got my first funstrike first blood in a long ass while today, and it felt really good.

I'm sorry I don't know what else to post.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
February 09 2014 23:17 GMT
#96457
On February 10 2014 07:54 idonthinksobro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2014 07:16 Greenstripe wrote:
Let's just remember dota was the game for noobs who couldn't handle wc3 ladder.


While we are at it lets just remember that wc3 was a game for the noobs who couldn't handle broodwar.

Totally ripped Total Annihilation
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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
February 09 2014 23:28 GMT
#96458
On February 10 2014 08:17 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2014 07:54 idonthinksobro wrote:
On February 10 2014 07:16 Greenstripe wrote:
Let's just remember dota was the game for noobs who couldn't handle wc3 ladder.


While we are at it lets just remember that wc3 was a game for the noobs who couldn't handle broodwar.

Totally ripped Total Annihilation




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Mithhaike
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore2759 Posts
February 09 2014 23:35 GMT
#96459
On February 10 2014 05:39 cecek wrote:
Imagine pushing into the base and finding the enemy ancient hidden behind the fountain. :D


Someone did something similar. He moved the fountain up.

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AwfuL_
Profile Joined January 2013
Netherlands6976 Posts
February 09 2014 23:38 GMT
#96460
On February 10 2014 07:55 beef42 wrote:
I got my first funstrike first blood in a long ass while today, and it felt really good.

I'm sorry I don't know what else to post.


Well congrats on your 666th post
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