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On February 05 2014 01:30 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 00:51 ReignSupreme. wrote:
And I also agree that performing the A-Z challenge in Ranked is pretty poor when you're obviously admitting to not understanding the hero/the role you'll be required to use the hero in or at the very least in a stack. There are no players in the 3k range that understand basically anything about playing 1 particular hero. Next to that there mechanics like mine suck, if this wasnt the case they would be in the 5+k range anyway. Secondly, I dont care about someone elses tryhard rank at 3k range anymore. Certainly not after i have dealt with feeders, dq-ers, trolls and badmannered in allmost every AP game till today. I am not talking about CM or CD here, just plain AP games. Fighting with supports for cs and begging for a ward. I just dont care anymore in AP games man, glhf! Lighten the f*&^up else dont play AP 
You will deal with those players at every level. In every mode. It happens. People still take AP Ranked seriously. You do not. Don't play ranked AP if you're not taking it seriously. You're becoming one of those "feeders, dq-ers, trolls and badmannered" players by doing A-Z in ranked.
There are no players in the 3k range that understand basically anything about playing 1 particular hero
Can you explain what you mean by this? Are you seriously suggesting that anyone in the 3k range has zero understanding about the heroes they play?
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Im 4.1k and play solo ranked CM. I have a good time winning and losing. Why would you play ranked ap? Of course thatll be hit or miss. Ive had a few bad captains but overall everyone tries hard and doesnt get pissy when things arr going badly.
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hes saying, from what i understand, that the people at 3k's understanding of any one hero is practically negligible because even if they understand it they wouldn't know any of its intricacies in higher level play.
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On February 05 2014 01:43 SageFantasma wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 01:30 govie wrote:On February 05 2014 00:51 ReignSupreme. wrote:
And I also agree that performing the A-Z challenge in Ranked is pretty poor when you're obviously admitting to not understanding the hero/the role you'll be required to use the hero in or at the very least in a stack. There are no players in the 3k range that understand basically anything about playing 1 particular hero. Next to that there mechanics like mine suck, if this wasnt the case they would be in the 5+k range anyway. Secondly, I dont care about someone elses tryhard rank at 3k range anymore. Certainly not after i have dealt with feeders, dq-ers, trolls and badmannered in allmost every AP game till today. I am not talking about CM or CD here, just plain AP games. Fighting with supports for cs and begging for a ward. I just dont care anymore in AP games man, glhf! Lighten the f*&^up else dont play AP You will deal with those players at every level. In every mode. It happens. People still take AP Ranked seriously. You do not. Don't play ranked AP if you're not taking it seriously. You're becoming one of those "feeders, dq-ers, trolls and badmannered" players by doing A-Z in ranked. Show nested quote +
There are no players in the 3k range that understand basically anything about playing 1 particular hero
Can you explain what you mean by this? Are you seriously suggesting that anyone in the 3k range has zero understanding about the heroes they play?
Yes, or else they wouldn't be 3k rated. I'm in 4k currently and iam terrible and my allies are terrible, a lot of players build their heros bad, terrible skill builds and teamfights are pretty much use all the abilities and hope your team wins.
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On February 05 2014 01:51 idonthinksobro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 01:43 SageFantasma wrote:On February 05 2014 01:30 govie wrote:On February 05 2014 00:51 ReignSupreme. wrote:
And I also agree that performing the A-Z challenge in Ranked is pretty poor when you're obviously admitting to not understanding the hero/the role you'll be required to use the hero in or at the very least in a stack. There are no players in the 3k range that understand basically anything about playing 1 particular hero. Next to that there mechanics like mine suck, if this wasnt the case they would be in the 5+k range anyway. Secondly, I dont care about someone elses tryhard rank at 3k range anymore. Certainly not after i have dealt with feeders, dq-ers, trolls and badmannered in allmost every AP game till today. I am not talking about CM or CD here, just plain AP games. Fighting with supports for cs and begging for a ward. I just dont care anymore in AP games man, glhf! Lighten the f*&^up else dont play AP You will deal with those players at every level. In every mode. It happens. People still take AP Ranked seriously. You do not. Don't play ranked AP if you're not taking it seriously. You're becoming one of those "feeders, dq-ers, trolls and badmannered" players by doing A-Z in ranked.
There are no players in the 3k range that understand basically anything about playing 1 particular hero
Can you explain what you mean by this? Are you seriously suggesting that anyone in the 3k range has zero understanding about the heroes they play? Yes, or else they wouldn't be 3k rated.
Please. I'm below 3k and I have a reasonable understanding of the handful of heroes I play. I'm no pro and no dota scholar, but I know my stuff when it matters. I can't alway back it up mechanically, but that doesn't make me a dota fool.
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On February 05 2014 01:51 idonthinksobro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 01:43 SageFantasma wrote:On February 05 2014 01:30 govie wrote:On February 05 2014 00:51 ReignSupreme. wrote:
And I also agree that performing the A-Z challenge in Ranked is pretty poor when you're obviously admitting to not understanding the hero/the role you'll be required to use the hero in or at the very least in a stack. There are no players in the 3k range that understand basically anything about playing 1 particular hero. Next to that there mechanics like mine suck, if this wasnt the case they would be in the 5+k range anyway. Secondly, I dont care about someone elses tryhard rank at 3k range anymore. Certainly not after i have dealt with feeders, dq-ers, trolls and badmannered in allmost every AP game till today. I am not talking about CM or CD here, just plain AP games. Fighting with supports for cs and begging for a ward. I just dont care anymore in AP games man, glhf! Lighten the f*&^up else dont play AP You will deal with those players at every level. In every mode. It happens. People still take AP Ranked seriously. You do not. Don't play ranked AP if you're not taking it seriously. You're becoming one of those "feeders, dq-ers, trolls and badmannered" players by doing A-Z in ranked.
There are no players in the 3k range that understand basically anything about playing 1 particular hero
Can you explain what you mean by this? Are you seriously suggesting that anyone in the 3k range has zero understanding about the heroes they play? Yes, or else they wouldn't be 3k rated. I'm in 4k currently and iam terrible and my allies are terrible, a lot of players build their heros bad, terrible skill builds and teamfights are pretty much use all the abilities and hope your team wins.
Exactly. I have the mechanical proficiency of a turtle but I'm 4.2K
Plus I know I don't even understand why half the things I do are mistakes.
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I'm afraid to find my ranking
also I just like all the game modes too much to play ranked only, and unranked is tryhard enough for me anyhow (people are actually using smokes and shit - and this was an All Random game where I played a support breaker)
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Czech Republic18921 Posts
I need help.  The Chinese New Year patch completely broke my Dota. When I start Dota, it starts booting in windowed mode and snaps into fullscreen after a couple seconds, like this. I can't see water at all pic. The loading times are at least 50% longer during both startup and joining a game and I lost like 20 fps, which makes the game pretty much unplayable. Also when I try to play ability draft I always crash during draft or after all heroes are picked, 30% of the time I have to completely reboot the computer to get out of the crash. It's not the new map too, the same thing happens when I play on classic. I'm positive it's the update and not my computer. When the current build was on test client it was as fucked up as this new one, but the regular Dota was working fine for me at the same time. I play on this Mac.
Does anyone know if I can do anything? Some console command, launch options? Or where should I post this to get help.
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Have you tried checking the file integrity on steam?
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Developer Forums
dev.dota2.com
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On February 05 2014 01:57 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 01:51 idonthinksobro wrote:On February 05 2014 01:43 SageFantasma wrote:On February 05 2014 01:30 govie wrote:On February 05 2014 00:51 ReignSupreme. wrote:
And I also agree that performing the A-Z challenge in Ranked is pretty poor when you're obviously admitting to not understanding the hero/the role you'll be required to use the hero in or at the very least in a stack. There are no players in the 3k range that understand basically anything about playing 1 particular hero. Next to that there mechanics like mine suck, if this wasnt the case they would be in the 5+k range anyway. Secondly, I dont care about someone elses tryhard rank at 3k range anymore. Certainly not after i have dealt with feeders, dq-ers, trolls and badmannered in allmost every AP game till today. I am not talking about CM or CD here, just plain AP games. Fighting with supports for cs and begging for a ward. I just dont care anymore in AP games man, glhf! Lighten the f*&^up else dont play AP You will deal with those players at every level. In every mode. It happens. People still take AP Ranked seriously. You do not. Don't play ranked AP if you're not taking it seriously. You're becoming one of those "feeders, dq-ers, trolls and badmannered" players by doing A-Z in ranked.
There are no players in the 3k range that understand basically anything about playing 1 particular hero
Can you explain what you mean by this? Are you seriously suggesting that anyone in the 3k range has zero understanding about the heroes they play? Yes, or else they wouldn't be 3k rated. Please. I'm below 3k and I have a reasonable understanding of the handful of heroes I play. I'm no pro and no dota scholar, but I know my stuff when it matters. I can't alway back it up mechanically, but that doesn't make me a dota fool.
i edited my post to make it more clear, i'm pretty sure if someone that is 6k rated watches your replay and only focuses on your decision making and item progression he can point out a lot of mistakes.
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Like, "understanding a hero" is relative.
Just because you understand that Dragon Knight is a "Pushing Semi-Carry Mid" doesn't mean you understand how to push, semi carry, or mid.
I used to think I was hot shit on Lesh, and that I knew lots about the hero, because I'd win like 70% of my lesh games. Turns out solo-pushing towers with no escape mechanism only works on accounts that are low rated and once u fix the rating your "understanding" of the hero needs some help. Also people who actually understand that you can juke lesh stun with ease makes a difference too.
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"A lot of mistakes" is diferent from "zero understanding". You can even point out a lot of mistakes watching pro games some times.
It's probally a reaction to the way so many people think they are better than they are, but people take the "everyone is terrible" mentality a bit too far sometimes.
"Understanding" also doesn't mean anything. It's about knowing what you can do with the hero at the game you are playing. Not at the TI finals. Even at the highest level of AP pubs, "understanding", or sucess, may not directly correlate with sucess in a competitive enviroment.
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On February 05 2014 01:46 3Y3S wrote:
hes saying, from what i understand, that the people at 3k's understanding of any one hero is practically negligible because even if they understand it they wouldn't know any of its intricacies in higher level play.
Thats indeed my point. If they play the hero frequently enough. If some 3k player really knew howto play a "role AND a hero" and knows howto "snowball a team with gamesence" he would not be in the 3k range anyway. And he also would achieve the same results with most other similar rolehero's.
Like, i have played more then 150+ crystal maiden/omniknight games and i have a approx 70% winrate. That doesnt say i am a good support and should teach funnik my builds?, it only says i win alot of games with these heros in my AP range. Just because u can cast a combo and win some games with it at mediocre AP mmr, doesnt say anything.
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On February 05 2014 02:02 idonthinksobro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 01:57 Plansix wrote:On February 05 2014 01:51 idonthinksobro wrote:On February 05 2014 01:43 SageFantasma wrote:On February 05 2014 01:30 govie wrote:On February 05 2014 00:51 ReignSupreme. wrote:
And I also agree that performing the A-Z challenge in Ranked is pretty poor when you're obviously admitting to not understanding the hero/the role you'll be required to use the hero in or at the very least in a stack. There are no players in the 3k range that understand basically anything about playing 1 particular hero. Next to that there mechanics like mine suck, if this wasnt the case they would be in the 5+k range anyway. Secondly, I dont care about someone elses tryhard rank at 3k range anymore. Certainly not after i have dealt with feeders, dq-ers, trolls and badmannered in allmost every AP game till today. I am not talking about CM or CD here, just plain AP games. Fighting with supports for cs and begging for a ward. I just dont care anymore in AP games man, glhf! Lighten the f*&^up else dont play AP You will deal with those players at every level. In every mode. It happens. People still take AP Ranked seriously. You do not. Don't play ranked AP if you're not taking it seriously. You're becoming one of those "feeders, dq-ers, trolls and badmannered" players by doing A-Z in ranked.
There are no players in the 3k range that understand basically anything about playing 1 particular hero
Can you explain what you mean by this? Are you seriously suggesting that anyone in the 3k range has zero understanding about the heroes they play? Yes, or else they wouldn't be 3k rated. Please. I'm below 3k and I have a reasonable understanding of the handful of heroes I play. I'm no pro and no dota scholar, but I know my stuff when it matters. I can't alway back it up mechanically, but that doesn't make me a dota fool. i edited my post to make it more clear, i'm pretty sure if someone that is 6k rated watches your replay and only focuses on your decision making and item progression he can point out a lot of mistakes.
So people who are better than me are better than me?
Snowman is right that all the terms are relative. If the bar for good is 6,000 MMR, we are all trash and can never have a good understanding of the game.
Because of that, people should just look to their own improvement, rather then compairing themselves to pros. There is a lot of dota to learn and there is no "best way" to learn for everyone.
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On February 05 2014 01:51 idonthinksobro wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 01:43 SageFantasma wrote:On February 05 2014 01:30 govie wrote:On February 05 2014 00:51 ReignSupreme. wrote:
And I also agree that performing the A-Z challenge in Ranked is pretty poor when you're obviously admitting to not understanding the hero/the role you'll be required to use the hero in or at the very least in a stack. There are no players in the 3k range that understand basically anything about playing 1 particular hero. Next to that there mechanics like mine suck, if this wasnt the case they would be in the 5+k range anyway. Secondly, I dont care about someone elses tryhard rank at 3k range anymore. Certainly not after i have dealt with feeders, dq-ers, trolls and badmannered in allmost every AP game till today. I am not talking about CM or CD here, just plain AP games. Fighting with supports for cs and begging for a ward. I just dont care anymore in AP games man, glhf! Lighten the f*&^up else dont play AP You will deal with those players at every level. In every mode. It happens. People still take AP Ranked seriously. You do not. Don't play ranked AP if you're not taking it seriously. You're becoming one of those "feeders, dq-ers, trolls and badmannered" players by doing A-Z in ranked.
There are no players in the 3k range that understand basically anything about playing 1 particular hero
Can you explain what you mean by this? Are you seriously suggesting that anyone in the 3k range has zero understanding about the heroes they play? Yes, or else they wouldn't be 3k rated. I'm in 4k currently and iam terrible and my allies are terrible, a lot of players build their heros bad, terrible skill builds and teamfights are pretty much use all the abilities and hope your team wins.
I totally disagree. I'm about 3800 solo rating, I am by no means good at this game, but to go so far as to say that I don't have a deeper understanding of Dota beyond my skill level is absurd(again, I'm not saying I understand this game through and through, but bear with me here). Dota isn't a game that can be so easily skill-bracketed like this, and I honestly think the skill rating is totally dumb in this game. It's a 10 man game, with 5 guys one each team having to achieve a level of co-operation that is rarely found in any videogame. Sure, you can get a decent idea of the level a player is at, but I don't think you can make such broad assumptions based on something so volatile as MMR in this game.
I just think that in a team game like this, it is incredibly inappropriate to make these kinds of generalizations. If I were to play solo queue for 50 games, at the rate I'm going I'd probably go up at least 500 MMR. But I don't play solo ranked much because I prefer playing with friends who are lower ranked than I am. I'm sure there are plenty of people in the same boat.
Having that been said, we're probably in the minority... I guess I'm just annoyed by this ignorant generalization and I don't get why it's okay to do this kinda shit.
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Thats why you have a party rating and a solo rating though. So basically either play solo games and prove it or else you are overestimating yourself the same way every other person in dota does "oh its my friends who lose me games" as if you aren't also against dumpsters.
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On February 05 2014 01:57 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 01:51 idonthinksobro wrote:On February 05 2014 01:43 SageFantasma wrote:On February 05 2014 01:30 govie wrote:On February 05 2014 00:51 ReignSupreme. wrote:
And I also agree that performing the A-Z challenge in Ranked is pretty poor when you're obviously admitting to not understanding the hero/the role you'll be required to use the hero in or at the very least in a stack. There are no players in the 3k range that understand basically anything about playing 1 particular hero. Next to that there mechanics like mine suck, if this wasnt the case they would be in the 5+k range anyway. Secondly, I dont care about someone elses tryhard rank at 3k range anymore. Certainly not after i have dealt with feeders, dq-ers, trolls and badmannered in allmost every AP game till today. I am not talking about CM or CD here, just plain AP games. Fighting with supports for cs and begging for a ward. I just dont care anymore in AP games man, glhf! Lighten the f*&^up else dont play AP You will deal with those players at every level. In every mode. It happens. People still take AP Ranked seriously. You do not. Don't play ranked AP if you're not taking it seriously. You're becoming one of those "feeders, dq-ers, trolls and badmannered" players by doing A-Z in ranked.
There are no players in the 3k range that understand basically anything about playing 1 particular hero
Can you explain what you mean by this? Are you seriously suggesting that anyone in the 3k range has zero understanding about the heroes they play? Yes, or else they wouldn't be 3k rated. Please. I'm below 3k and I have a reasonable understanding of the handful of heroes I play. I'm no pro and no dota scholar, but I know my stuff when it matters. I can't alway back it up mechanically, but that doesn't make me a dota fool.
I think you'd be surprised how little you know if you were chucked into even a 4k game, and they're pretty bad too.
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On February 05 2014 02:15 Sn0_Man wrote:
Thats why you have a party rating and a solo rating though. So basically either play solo games and prove it or else you are overestimating yourself the same way every other person in dota does "oh its my friends who lose me games" as if you aren't also against dumpsters.
I totally agree, but I don't think it's fair to make these kinds of generalizations. I rarely play solo queue because I don't have the time. I realize there are party ratings and solo ratings for a reason, but again, generalizing for such a wide range is straight up inappropriate.
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On February 05 2014 02:13 SageFantasma wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 01:51 idonthinksobro wrote:On February 05 2014 01:43 SageFantasma wrote:On February 05 2014 01:30 govie wrote:On February 05 2014 00:51 ReignSupreme. wrote:
And I also agree that performing the A-Z challenge in Ranked is pretty poor when you're obviously admitting to not understanding the hero/the role you'll be required to use the hero in or at the very least in a stack. There are no players in the 3k range that understand basically anything about playing 1 particular hero. Next to that there mechanics like mine suck, if this wasnt the case they would be in the 5+k range anyway. Secondly, I dont care about someone elses tryhard rank at 3k range anymore. Certainly not after i have dealt with feeders, dq-ers, trolls and badmannered in allmost every AP game till today. I am not talking about CM or CD here, just plain AP games. Fighting with supports for cs and begging for a ward. I just dont care anymore in AP games man, glhf! Lighten the f*&^up else dont play AP You will deal with those players at every level. In every mode. It happens. People still take AP Ranked seriously. You do not. Don't play ranked AP if you're not taking it seriously. You're becoming one of those "feeders, dq-ers, trolls and badmannered" players by doing A-Z in ranked.
There are no players in the 3k range that understand basically anything about playing 1 particular hero
Can you explain what you mean by this? Are you seriously suggesting that anyone in the 3k range has zero understanding about the heroes they play? Yes, or else they wouldn't be 3k rated. I'm in 4k currently and iam terrible and my allies are terrible, a lot of players build their heros bad, terrible skill builds and teamfights are pretty much use all the abilities and hope your team wins. I totally disagree. I'm about 3800 solo rating, I am by no means good at this game, but to go so far as to say that I don't have a deeper understanding of Dota beyond my skill level is absurd(again, I'm not saying I understand this game through and through, but bear with me here). Dota isn't a game that can be so easily skill-bracketed like this, and I honestly think the skill rating is totally dumb in this game. It's a 10 man game, with 5 guys one each team having to achieve a level of co-operation that is rarely found in any videogame. Sure, you can get a decent idea of the level a player is at, but I don't think you can make such broad assumptions based on something so volatile as MMR in this game. I just think that in a team game like this, it is incredibly inappropriate to make these kinds of generalizations. If I were to play solo queue for 50 games, at the rate I'm going I'd probably go up at least 500 MMR. But I don't play solo ranked much because I prefer playing with friends who are lower ranked than I am. I'm sure there are plenty of people in the same boat. Having that been said, we're probably in the minority... I guess I'm just annoyed by this ignorant generalization and I don't get why it's okay to do this kinda shit.
i personaly think its not a practical mmr system for this game and therefore flawed but thats another discussion for another day. But i also think that someone with 3k mmr in the current system doesnt have proskills or knowledge on/about any hero or even better any role. If he would, he would not have 3k mmr, the system isnt that flawed.
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