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govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-28 16:36:21
January 28 2014 16:35 GMT
#95021
On January 28 2014 21:21 hooahah wrote:
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On January 28 2014 21:07 govie wrote:
On January 28 2014 20:56 cecek wrote:
http://www.joindota.com/en/news/15279-talkdota-returns-6-80-changelog-special
This should be pretty good, I think. Mealk, 7ckingmad and Synderen as guests. 6.80 analysis.

I don't think Tinker Aghanims is going to be a thing. You need blink after bots. Building a aghanims after that seems pretty bad, it's not even close to the impact of hex. You might get it after hex, but I think dagon is still better, and you're probably getting worried about inventory space at that point. Also, Shiva got quite a good buff with the almost 200 increased range, I think it's gonna be pretty good on Tinker.


Yesterday bruno and draskyll did the same talk on draskylls stream, if anyone is interested.


with Lumi too


Oh yes, my apologies that i forgot to mention lumi. Lumi had this insane idea to give wraithking a bloodstone and initiation blink in a teamfight to sacrifice himself for the AoE 5 seconds slow. Tonight lumi, we are gonna conquer the world!
The two NBA teams in states with legal weed are called the Nuggets and the Blazers...
Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
January 28 2014 16:52 GMT
#95022
On January 29 2014 00:25 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 00:05 Mataza wrote:
From a pure theoretical point of view I think Aghs on Tinker will be better in teamfights than Shiva's Guard.
Rockets double in power and the Laser becomes safely usable, which is even better than two times power.
Shiva's burst is just 200 damage with a slow, but it's rather slow moving and still less range than upgraded Laser.
Defensively Shiva's Guard gives 15 armor, Aghanim's gives 390 HP.

Shiva's strength lies in split pushing, but I'm sure that Aghanim's Scepter will be the better teamfight item.

Shivas is much safer than aghanims lmao and a much better teamfight item. Do you know the full effect of it ?
Attack Speed Slow: 40
Radius: 900
That's pretty fucking massive

Yes I know the full effects.

I also know that it takes somewhere like 2 seconds for the circle to get to full radius, during which the enemies can see it. making it completely avoidable if used from full distance. By simply walking.
If you're strong enough to blink or force towards the enemy while using Shivas and survive, then it makes little difference (in my opinion) which item you bother to buy.

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Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
January 28 2014 16:52 GMT
#95023
Shivas got bigger and moves faster now tho
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-28 16:56:00
January 28 2014 16:53 GMT
#95024
You don't need to hit them with the active for the Attack Speed slow, which is the most influential part of it in teamfights.

On January 28 2014 22:13 Asymmetric wrote:
I think it may be a decent option under the following circumstances:

- Your having a good game with tinker, but your team is doing terrible.

+

- You have a decent defensive hard carry on your team.

If both of those are true, I can see rushing aghs+blink on tinker after bots/soulring/bottle just to stall, stall, stall and stall the game out at every single opportunity and try to take the game late. I mean a sheep stick, as good as it is on tinker, takes longer to build and is probably not going to win you the game at this point anyway if you team is doing bad enough they don't have any damage output. 4x rockets + 1100 range laser at around 22/23 minutes though is some serious area denial.

Just speculation.

In this scenario you need to be able to make solo pressure, which is when you'd get Dagon. Agha increases your teamfight effectiveness, but not your solo-killing power.

On January 28 2014 23:46 Slardar wrote:
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On January 28 2014 22:01 Torte de Lini wrote:
If Axe doesn't need mana for blink anymore, do you still need to go Arcane boots?


I would say definitely not. Keep brown boots and I'm sure you can muster enough regen through a mixture of Wand + Basil/Urn/Blademail into Mek or not.

It depends on your item selection. If you are getting Mek or Pipe for your team, then you still need the increase to max mana from Arcanes to safely be able to use them in fights. If you don't need to get those mana-using team items, then no Arcanes is fine.
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
January 28 2014 16:55 GMT
#95025
On January 29 2014 01:52 Mataza wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 29 2014 00:25 Erasme wrote:
On January 29 2014 00:05 Mataza wrote:
From a pure theoretical point of view I think Aghs on Tinker will be better in teamfights than Shiva's Guard.
Rockets double in power and the Laser becomes safely usable, which is even better than two times power.
Shiva's burst is just 200 damage with a slow, but it's rather slow moving and still less range than upgraded Laser.
Defensively Shiva's Guard gives 15 armor, Aghanim's gives 390 HP.

Shiva's strength lies in split pushing, but I'm sure that Aghanim's Scepter will be the better teamfight item.

Shivas is much safer than aghanims lmao and a much better teamfight item. Do you know the full effect of it ?
Attack Speed Slow: 40
Radius: 900
That's pretty fucking massive

Yes I know the full effects.

I also know that it takes somewhere like 2 seconds for the circle to get to full radius, during which the enemies can see it. making it completely avoidable if used from full distance. By simply walking.
If you're strong enough to blink or force towards the enemy while using Shivas and survive, then it makes little difference (in my opinion) which item you bother to buy.


Cuz you're misusing it. If they go on you, you active it. If you blink offensively in the middle of a teamfight as tinker you're gonna have a bad time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Dankleteer
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1430 Posts
January 28 2014 17:26 GMT
#95026
Has anyone had trouble opening up new level presents from when the reworked the item system? I got to level 81 and whenever I try to unwrap my level 81 gift it does the countdown and then nothing happens. I just want a rare
fresh chops
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
January 28 2014 17:35 GMT
#95027
On January 29 2014 01:53 TheYango wrote:
You don't need to hit them with the active for the Attack Speed slow, which is the most influential part of it in teamfights.




reiterating this because I don't think Mataza understands this.
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Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-28 17:37:50
January 28 2014 17:36 GMT
#95028
i dont think its ever actually never a smart idea to yolo blink in the middle of a non-one sided teamfight just to pop shivas. people are just overly hyping aghs thinking it'll revitalize the hero or some shit
thOr6136
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Slovenia1775 Posts
January 28 2014 17:46 GMT
#95029
I will just wait for chains to figure it out :D
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
January 28 2014 17:55 GMT
#95030
On January 29 2014 02:26 Dankleteer wrote:
Has anyone had trouble opening up new level presents from when the reworked the item system? I got to level 81 and whenever I try to unwrap my level 81 gift it does the countdown and then nothing happens. I just want a rare

Server issue. Restart steam.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Cool Cat
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1644 Posts
January 28 2014 17:55 GMT
#95031
nice a fellow chains fan (^_^)V
thOr6136
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Slovenia1775 Posts
January 28 2014 17:57 GMT
#95032
o/
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42414 Posts
January 28 2014 17:58 GMT
#95033
joinDOTA partners up with MLG

joinDOTA is proud to announce it will be partnering up with MLG for the epic MLG T.K.O. Tournament which will start next week. The $60,000 online tournament will include 16 teams from Europe and the Americas including big names such as Na'vi, Fnatic, Sigma and Speed Gaming.


"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34505 Posts
January 28 2014 18:00 GMT
#95034
Apparently Alliance decided not to participate.
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42414 Posts
January 28 2014 18:02 GMT
#95035
On January 29 2014 03:00 Firebolt145 wrote:
Apparently Alliance decided not to participate.


As it should be.

"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
CruelZeratul
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany4588 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-28 18:04:45
January 28 2014 18:03 GMT
#95036
On which channel is talkDOTA supposed to be?

edit: got it, it's on joinDOTARed on twitch, if anyone else wants to know.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
January 28 2014 18:10 GMT
#95037
On January 29 2014 02:58 Grettin wrote:
joinDOTA partners up with MLG

Show nested quote +
joinDOTA is proud to announce it will be partnering up with MLG for the epic MLG T.K.O. Tournament which will start next week. The $60,000 online tournament will include 16 teams from Europe and the Americas including big names such as Na'vi, Fnatic, Sigma and Speed Gaming.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7WnC8kdjFg

60k for an online is pretty nice. Pretty cool.
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AwfuL_
Profile Joined January 2013
Netherlands6976 Posts
January 28 2014 18:14 GMT
#95038
Some good money for the better US teams.. and great practice for the others. Pretty amazing announcement
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
January 28 2014 18:17 GMT
#95039
BTW talkdota is live:
http://www.twitch.tv/joindotared/
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Mataza
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany5364 Posts
January 28 2014 18:20 GMT
#95040
I don't blink aggressive in teamfights, you just assume that.

Usually my tinker games involve me splitpushing and the enemy team pushing as 5 and my team unable to defend.
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