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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
April 26 2012 12:39 GMT
#9081
I kind of like the new mjollnir...

The only thing I think I dont like at all is the new magic stick.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
oni_link
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany165 Posts
April 26 2012 12:48 GMT
#9082
On April 26 2012 21:10 TheYango wrote:
The other common mistake is that people don't get enough points in stats at early levels. Brawler and Haze don't become good till later levels, so 1 point Brawler before 6 should be all you get of either skill till around level 9 or 10.

Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 19:26 Unleashing wrote:
Drums, soul ring, dagger, aghanim.
That's how i will usually build him, but it depends on enemies too.
But drums dagger and aghanim is still what i'm aiming for in 90% of the games.

The Soul Ring regen is straight up overkill. Bottle should be enough and saves you 275 gold.


I would say the other way around, one point on drunken haze for lane harass because it gives 45% miss on lv 1 and disturbs lasthitting immensely. Skip the crit/dodge talent until your mana problems are done aka. agha done.
?:O
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 26 2012 12:55 GMT
#9083
On April 26 2012 21:48 oni_link wrote:
I would say the other way around, one point on drunken haze for lane harass because it gives 45% miss on lv 1 and disturbs lasthitting immensely. Skip the crit/dodge talent until your mana problems are done aka. agha done.

You have 182 base mana at level 1. You absolutely cannot support using Haze haphazardly like that.

Brawler's first rank is a pretty significant boost to your ability to trade in lane at no mana cost, particularly along with Clap.
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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
April 26 2012 13:10 GMT
#9084
according to my handy dandy lod skill tier list
dodgecrit is A-
clap is B+
haze is D
so clearly u want to max dodgecrit first, clap second, and skip haze for stats

damn lod is so fun maybe we can organize something over the weekend
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
April 26 2012 13:12 GMT
#9085
Panda has a very very low mana pool, even at level 16 with 2 levels put in stats.
I'd say a drum is a minimum, and I'd add a null or an urn. I'd go as far as recommend mana boots if your team don't have more than one. Or any other non core item that give some mana and mana regen. Mana is really a big problem for Panda.
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
April 26 2012 13:19 GMT
#9086
mana's not that big of a deal if u grab a point booster and skip most of haze for stats
seriously though haze is an awful skill don't level it it's pretty worthless
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
April 26 2012 13:27 GMT
#9087
Well I don't know...I'd say every time I played Panda mana was always a big deal, with clap basically taking a fourth of your mana bar at level 16, considering you have to always keep 200 mana for being able to ulti. I totally echoes Velr's problems with him, if you rush your core items/dagger, you basically can't use clap outside hero killing/initiation, which is sad as it's an awesome creep cleaning skill.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 13:34:08
April 26 2012 13:33 GMT
#9088
On April 26 2012 22:19 Dead9 wrote:
mana's not that big of a deal if u grab a point booster and skip most of haze for stats
seriously though haze is an awful skill don't level it it's pretty worthless

it is very good against some carries since it causes them to miss a ton in teamfights without bkb/manta. one of the many reasons why panda was experimented and eventually picked again in the first place. it's actually pretty funny to use on bear and warlock ultimate

for mana you should have a bottle. and a jango/point booster. after that it's pretty manageable
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 13:37:46
April 26 2012 13:35 GMT
#9089
I think the most awkward thing about Haze isn't it being weak (the effect is pretty good midgame when no BKB/Manta are in play), but finding a good time to cast it. If you Blink->Clap initiate, you usually have to ulti right after, or leave enough time for them to stun you. By the time your ult ends, you're pretty much going to be either cleaning up or running away, so the miss chance isn't that big of a deal at that point.

In awkwardly engaged fights where you don't open with Blink->Clap initiation, it's probably more reasonable.

On April 26 2012 22:27 MrCon wrote:
Well I don't know...I'd say every time I played Panda mana was always a big deal, with clap basically taking a fourth of your mana bar at level 16, considering you have to always keep 200 mana for being able to ulti. I totally echoes Velr's problems with him, if you rush your core items/dagger, you basically can't use clap outside hero killing/initiation, which is sad as it's an awesome creep cleaning skill.

I'd say I use Clap pretty liberally, even for creep clearing, and mana doesn't feel problematic to me (though it could be differing definitions on what feels problematic). As others have said, Bottle and Janggo/Point Booster have you covered, along with leveling stats liberally early/midgame. Don't feel bad about going above 2 levels stats (don't feel obligated to take Brawler or Haze), and refill your bottle often with the Crow if you don't get rune pickups. This means through the entire game, not just laning phase.
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Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
April 26 2012 13:43 GMT
#9090
On April 26 2012 22:33 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 22:19 Dead9 wrote:
mana's not that big of a deal if u grab a point booster and skip most of haze for stats
seriously though haze is an awful skill don't level it it's pretty worthless

it is very good against some carries since it causes them to miss a ton in teamfights without bkb/manta. one of the many reasons why panda was experimented and eventually picked again in the first place. it's actually pretty funny to use on bear and warlock ultimate

yea but that doesn't fix the part where it sucks
i'm pretty sure teams experimented with him because pandas are pretty cool and he's four pandas at once

look his mana pool sucks because pandas are not very intelligent creatures and boozin kills brain cells
but if you skip the booze u save a bunch of brain cells (8 to be exact) and thus u can cast a bunch more spells
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
April 26 2012 13:47 GMT
#9091
On April 26 2012 22:43 Dead9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 22:33 rabidch wrote:
On April 26 2012 22:19 Dead9 wrote:
mana's not that big of a deal if u grab a point booster and skip most of haze for stats
seriously though haze is an awful skill don't level it it's pretty worthless

it is very good against some carries since it causes them to miss a ton in teamfights without bkb/manta. one of the many reasons why panda was experimented and eventually picked again in the first place. it's actually pretty funny to use on bear and warlock ultimate

yea but that doesn't fix the part where it sucks
i'm pretty sure teams experimented with him because pandas are pretty cool and he's four pandas at once

look his mana pool sucks because pandas are not very intelligent creatures and boozin kills brain cells
but if you skip the booze u save a bunch of brain cells (8 to be exact) and thus u can cast a bunch more spells

you mustve not missed 5 hits to kill a stupid support because of booze
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
April 26 2012 13:49 GMT
#9092
On April 26 2012 22:47 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 22:43 Dead9 wrote:
On April 26 2012 22:33 rabidch wrote:
On April 26 2012 22:19 Dead9 wrote:
mana's not that big of a deal if u grab a point booster and skip most of haze for stats
seriously though haze is an awful skill don't level it it's pretty worthless

it is very good against some carries since it causes them to miss a ton in teamfights without bkb/manta. one of the many reasons why panda was experimented and eventually picked again in the first place. it's actually pretty funny to use on bear and warlock ultimate

yea but that doesn't fix the part where it sucks
i'm pretty sure teams experimented with him because pandas are pretty cool and he's four pandas at once

look his mana pool sucks because pandas are not very intelligent creatures and boozin kills brain cells
but if you skip the booze u save a bunch of brain cells (8 to be exact) and thus u can cast a bunch more spells

you mustve not missed 5 hits to kill a stupid support because of booze

maybe if u weren't such a lightweight
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
April 26 2012 13:52 GMT
#9093
On April 26 2012 21:10 TheYango wrote:
The Soul Ring regen is straight up overkill. Bottle should be enough and saves you 275 gold.

Possibly, but it's a personal preference, i really like my soul ring on my panda

On April 26 2012 21:32 BurningSera wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 15:40 ch33psh33p wrote:
Mjolnnir went from the most badass icon ever, to a fucking piece of shit.

God damn why


i didn't like it at first glance but if you think about the nordic lore, it is actually should be a small-ish hammer.

Exactly, it's very accurate to the actual mjølner.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
April 26 2012 13:57 GMT
#9094
soul ring costs 800 gold... am i missing something?
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Cool Cat
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1644 Posts
April 26 2012 14:03 GMT
#9095
On April 26 2012 22:57 rabidch wrote:
soul ring costs 800 gold... am i missing something?


yeah...75 gold
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
April 26 2012 14:06 GMT
#9096
On April 26 2012 22:52 Unleashing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 21:32 BurningSera wrote:
On April 26 2012 15:40 ch33psh33p wrote:
Mjolnnir went from the most badass icon ever, to a fucking piece of shit.

God damn why


i didn't like it at first glance but if you think about the nordic lore, it is actually should be a small-ish hammer.

Exactly, it's very accurate to the actual mjølner.

accuracy sux
i want to be a thunder god
Cool Cat
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1644 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 14:10:15
April 26 2012 14:09 GMT
#9097
On April 26 2012 23:06 Dead9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 26 2012 22:52 Unleashing wrote:
On April 26 2012 21:32 BurningSera wrote:
On April 26 2012 15:40 ch33psh33p wrote:
Mjolnnir went from the most badass icon ever, to a fucking piece of shit.

God damn why


i didn't like it at first glance but if you think about the nordic lore, it is actually should be a small-ish hammer.

Exactly, it's very accurate to the actual mjølner.

accuracy sux
i want to be a thunder god


Assuming that most people who play Dota 2 are not well-educated in Nordic lore, I think Valve would maximize their Average Player Satisfaction (APS) by making the players feel more ownage.
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 14:15:32
April 26 2012 14:12 GMT
#9098
[image loading]
This is what mjølner is supposed to look like, it could change size depending on what the wielder wanted, granted the wielder was mighty enough, or was wielding iarngreiper.


I think it looks like it nicely, i like most of the new icons, and the rapier actually looks like a rapier now

The only problem with the item now is the description: One of the dwarves has the wrong name.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
April 26 2012 14:14 GMT
#9099
yo
that's a necklace not a mjolnir
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 14:17:16
April 26 2012 14:15 GMT
#9100
A necklace that depicts mjølner
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
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