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On December 11 2013 10:21 NotYango wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 10:07 SKC wrote:
And that's not the only one. If he manages to implement Slark ult, uncap the MS, add ranged LS aura, etc. He may as well be able to implement some of these changes. Slark ulti, if he did it how I think he did is actually quite clever. There are actually two kinds of invisible states in DotA, and detection can be set to reveal one, the other, or both. The other invisible state is burrowed, which people forget about. Realistically could have been used for Slark ulti, even though it's a bit weird and he'd have to modify existing detection to be consistent.
1. Shadow Dance now transforms Slark into a unit with the "LOS blocker" model, which cannot be clicked (by allies or enemies) and his icon is hidden from enemies. Incoming projectiles are dodged by hiding and immediately unhiding Slark, as with Ethereal Jaunt. Units that try to attack Slark while he is in Shadow Dance are ordered to stop. It's certainly not an ideal solution, but it was better than the alternatives.
http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1393586
Not sure how accurate that is, but seems to be legit. It still shows how things people thought were outright impossible are not. I don't doubt some changes people think are impossible to port in fake patches would be possible with clever use of mechanics, but in the end it doesn't even matter. Most people don't even have the knowledge to say it's impossible, yet they use it as a justification for calling it fake.
Also, people love to talk about minor inconsistencies between both version, like incorrect range values, but in that thread they talk about how many heroes had incorrect night vision values in Warcraft 3. We just didn't notice Dota 1 bugs because we didn't pay attention to it, but it was far from a clean game.
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On December 11 2013 10:29 SKC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 10:21 NotYango wrote:On December 11 2013 10:07 SKC wrote:
And that's not the only one. If he manages to implement Slark ult, uncap the MS, add ranged LS aura, etc. He may as well be able to implement some of these changes. Slark ulti, if he did it how I think he did is actually quite clever. There are actually two kinds of invisible states in DotA, and detection can be set to reveal one, the other, or both. The other invisible state is burrowed, which people forget about. Realistically could have been used for Slark ulti, even though it's a bit weird and he'd have to modify existing detection to be consistent. 1. Shadow Dance now transforms Slark into a unit with the "LOS blocker" model, which cannot be clicked (by allies or enemies) and his icon is hidden from enemies. Incoming projectiles are dodged by hiding and immediately unhiding Slark, as with Ethereal Jaunt. Units that try to attack Slark while he is in Shadow Dance are ordered to stop. It's certainly not an ideal solution, but it was better than the alternatives. http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1393586Not sure how accurate that is, but seems to be legit. It still shows how things people thought were outright impossible are not. I don't doubt some changes people think are impossible to port in fake patches would be possible with clever use of mechanics, but in the end it doesn't even matter. Most people don't even have the knowledge to say it's impossible, yet they use it as a justification for calling it fake. Also, people love to talk about minor inconsistencies between both version, like incorrect range values, but in that thread they talk about how many heroes had incorrect night vision values in Warcraft 3. We just didn't notice Dota 1 bugs because we didn't pay attention to it, but it was far from a clean game.
A lot of things that are called can't be coded either won't because it requires an unreasonable number of hours to program (ie Yango's CK ult example) or would create memory leaks because the engine sucks.
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On December 11 2013 10:21 NotYango wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 10:07 SKC wrote:
And that's not the only one. If he manages to implement Slark ult, uncap the MS, add ranged LS aura, etc. He may as well be able to implement some of these changes. Slark ulti, if he did it how I think he did is actually quite clever. There are actually two kinds of invisible states in DotA, and detection can be set to reveal one, the other, or both. The other invisible state is burrowed, which people forget about. Realistically could have been used for Slark ulti, even though it's a bit weird and he'd have to modify existing detection to be consistent.
The new slark ulti doesn't actually rely on stealth/invis at all in wc3 dota iirc
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Really the Playdota.com Advanced mechanic forum has a lot of good information. Rest of it sucks but I've learned a lot off of it. They have a 6.79 thread that talks about all the "impossible" changes that they have worked on.
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People talk a lot of shit about the Playdota forum, but yes, the mechanics forum is extremelly good and well moderated.
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On December 11 2013 10:41 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 10:29 SKC wrote:On December 11 2013 10:21 NotYango wrote:On December 11 2013 10:07 SKC wrote:
And that's not the only one. If he manages to implement Slark ult, uncap the MS, add ranged LS aura, etc. He may as well be able to implement some of these changes. Slark ulti, if he did it how I think he did is actually quite clever. There are actually two kinds of invisible states in DotA, and detection can be set to reveal one, the other, or both. The other invisible state is burrowed, which people forget about. Realistically could have been used for Slark ulti, even though it's a bit weird and he'd have to modify existing detection to be consistent. 1. Shadow Dance now transforms Slark into a unit with the "LOS blocker" model, which cannot be clicked (by allies or enemies) and his icon is hidden from enemies. Incoming projectiles are dodged by hiding and immediately unhiding Slark, as with Ethereal Jaunt. Units that try to attack Slark while he is in Shadow Dance are ordered to stop. It's certainly not an ideal solution, but it was better than the alternatives. http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1393586Not sure how accurate that is, but seems to be legit. It still shows how things people thought were outright impossible are not. I don't doubt some changes people think are impossible to port in fake patches would be possible with clever use of mechanics, but in the end it doesn't even matter. Most people don't even have the knowledge to say it's impossible, yet they use it as a justification for calling it fake. Also, people love to talk about minor inconsistencies between both version, like incorrect range values, but in that thread they talk about how many heroes had incorrect night vision values in Warcraft 3. We just didn't notice Dota 1 bugs because we didn't pay attention to it, but it was far from a clean game. A lot of things that are called can't be coded either won't because it requires an unreasonable number of hours to program (ie Yango's CK ult example) or would create memory leaks because the engine sucks.
That CK ult is actually something easily codable by simply deprecating the the skill cooldown display of the skill, use a different indicator for the CD, and then creating either a dummy unit or trigger that refreshes the ult when the time is correct.
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On December 11 2013 11:06 Kupon3ss wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2013 10:41 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:On December 11 2013 10:29 SKC wrote:On December 11 2013 10:21 NotYango wrote:On December 11 2013 10:07 SKC wrote:
And that's not the only one. If he manages to implement Slark ult, uncap the MS, add ranged LS aura, etc. He may as well be able to implement some of these changes. Slark ulti, if he did it how I think he did is actually quite clever. There are actually two kinds of invisible states in DotA, and detection can be set to reveal one, the other, or both. The other invisible state is burrowed, which people forget about. Realistically could have been used for Slark ulti, even though it's a bit weird and he'd have to modify existing detection to be consistent. 1. Shadow Dance now transforms Slark into a unit with the "LOS blocker" model, which cannot be clicked (by allies or enemies) and his icon is hidden from enemies. Incoming projectiles are dodged by hiding and immediately unhiding Slark, as with Ethereal Jaunt. Units that try to attack Slark while he is in Shadow Dance are ordered to stop. It's certainly not an ideal solution, but it was better than the alternatives. http://www.playdota.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1393586Not sure how accurate that is, but seems to be legit. It still shows how things people thought were outright impossible are not. I don't doubt some changes people think are impossible to port in fake patches would be possible with clever use of mechanics, but in the end it doesn't even matter. Most people don't even have the knowledge to say it's impossible, yet they use it as a justification for calling it fake. Also, people love to talk about minor inconsistencies between both version, like incorrect range values, but in that thread they talk about how many heroes had incorrect night vision values in Warcraft 3. We just didn't notice Dota 1 bugs because we didn't pay attention to it, but it was far from a clean game. A lot of things that are called can't be coded either won't because it requires an unreasonable number of hours to program (ie Yango's CK ult example) or would create memory leaks because the engine sucks. That CK ult is actually something easily codable by simply deprecating the the skill cooldown display of the skill, use a different indicator for the CD, and then creating either a dummy unit or trigger that refreshes the ult when the time is correct.
It is, but it is a waste of resources and time to do it so nobody would bother. Outside the box solutions are easy to come up with, but implementing them in a way that doesn't cause memory leaks and make the game unplayable is another monster entirely. The opportunity cost of making something is often why it isn't implemented instead of it being impossible, but it is labeled the latter anyway.
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how does one entangle an ass?
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Of all the people your doubting Bulldog's ability to entangle?
He'll find a way.
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what ever shall tide ezalor and mirana do now.
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i just saying that entangle uses vines
use ur imagination boys
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Perhaps Skeleton King finally found a job in Apples
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Where do we spam this one?
༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ Give Yango's 20K post
It will be better than 6.79b imo
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Shadow Fiend has the clear advantage against Obsidian Destroyer mid.
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Boots first is an underrated choice.
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Skeleton King removed, what will happen to my hats for him
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On December 11 2013 16:42 WindWolf wrote:
Skeleton King removed, what will happen to my hats for him
they'll become immortal but u can't use them
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i think linken's is bad on weaver
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EPT
