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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
December 11 2013 09:43 GMT
#90181
On December 11 2013 18:36 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 18:33 FinestHour wrote:
i already reported half of u people for shittting this up enjoy ban etc


Didn't you just ask for a trade..? Hows that not shitting it up?


cuz its a legit request and i copied it in the item trading thread, im not trying to draw certain people out by talking about old topics
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-11 10:14:07
December 11 2013 10:13 GMT
#90182
people here really suck at yango baiting
you need to express genuine confusion regarding a specific scenario that is explained by advanced mechanics and/or differences between Dota1 and Dota2 mechanics.
Yango cant help but get all up in that
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
December 11 2013 10:21 GMT
#90183
So u mean shit like the attack timer thingy that delayed LC?
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
December 11 2013 10:24 GMT
#90184
yeah obscure dota2 bugs are also a good lure.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
December 11 2013 10:27 GMT
#90185
so does that mean yango can explain why luna couldn't use orb attacks in dota 1 and why it broke her attack cause that shit always confused me
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
December 11 2013 10:39 GMT
#90186
and the student becomes the master.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
December 11 2013 10:51 GMT
#90187
How about the "paused" state? Is it ever coming to Dota 2? It makes a big deal, honestly. Now imprisonment/disruption cancel stuns basically, but they just delay it in dota 1, OD and SD are hugely buffed by that.
super gg
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
December 11 2013 11:59 GMT
#90188
Does Chrono cause paused state?
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
solidbebe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Netherlands4921 Posts
December 11 2013 12:01 GMT
#90189
Is it possible to blink out of chronosphere with puck's phase shift?
That's the 2nd time in a week I've seen someone sig a quote from this GD and I have never witnessed a sig quote happen in my TL history ever before. -Najda
GtC
Profile Joined August 2013
United States546 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-11 12:42:52
December 11 2013 12:42 GMT
#90190
On December 11 2013 20:59 ahswtini wrote:
Does Chrono cause paused state?

I wouldn't think it would considering that it would likely mean that you would be bashed coming out of chrono for another second or so.

On December 11 2013 18:38 Laurens wrote:
I'm curious whether he'll manage to get more posts on his 'smurf' than I have on this 3 year old account, before he finally goes back to TheYango.

He's on the verge of surpassing me already.
The Turtle Moves
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
December 11 2013 13:36 GMT
#90191
I think Chrono just stuns. Paused states are just the ones that completely hide the hero, SD disruption, OD prison. I'm not sure about puck phase shift.
super gg
dfs
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Russian Federation4050 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-11 13:57:04
December 11 2013 13:50 GMT
#90192
On December 11 2013 21:01 solidbebe wrote:
Is it possible to blink out of chronosphere with puck's phase shift?

You can't, you get stuck in chrono.
The way phase shift works is that it puts you back on the map and only after that it carries out your command. So you can't blink out of Ice Path, Chronosphere ect. and sometimes DoT spells can cancel your blink out of shift in time.
At least that is how it supposed to work, but thanks to Dota 2 Engine sometimes you might be able to blink out of stuff that you are not supposed to.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/Q1jSb9X.jpg (c) Shiro; http://i.imgur.com/lSDLLKb.png (c) drav
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-11 14:19:31
December 11 2013 14:18 GMT
#90193
Yes chrono is a paused state, if you bash them in chrono in dota1 they'll still be stunned after chrono ends.

Also IIRC it is (or was) possible to blink out if you used euls before chrono was cast.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
hariooo
Profile Joined October 2013
Canada2830 Posts
December 11 2013 14:26 GMT
#90194
On December 11 2013 22:50 dfs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 21:01 solidbebe wrote:
Is it possible to blink out of chronosphere with puck's phase shift?

You can't, you get stuck in chrono.
The way phase shift works is that it puts you back on the map and only after that it carries out your command. So you can't blink out of Ice Path, Chronosphere ect. and sometimes DoT spells can cancel your blink out of shift in time.
At least that is how it supposed to work, but thanks to Dota 2 Engine sometimes you might be able to blink out of stuff that you are not supposed to.


I think you can blink out of Ice Path if you're facing exactly the right direction.
dfs
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Russian Federation4050 Posts
December 11 2013 14:29 GMT
#90195
On December 11 2013 23:26 hariooo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 22:50 dfs wrote:
On December 11 2013 21:01 solidbebe wrote:
Is it possible to blink out of chronosphere with puck's phase shift?

You can't, you get stuck in chrono.
The way phase shift works is that it puts you back on the map and only after that it carries out your command. So you can't blink out of Ice Path, Chronosphere ect. and sometimes DoT spells can cancel your blink out of shift in time.
At least that is how it supposed to work, but thanks to Dota 2 Engine sometimes you might be able to blink out of stuff that you are not supposed to.


I think you can blink out of Ice Path if you're facing exactly the right direction.

Which you shouldn't be able to do.
Dota 2 Engine - where amazing happens.
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/Q1jSb9X.jpg (c) Shiro; http://i.imgur.com/lSDLLKb.png (c) drav
cecek
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Czech Republic18921 Posts
December 11 2013 14:32 GMT
#90196
In Dota 2, if you're disrupted as a juggernaut, and jakiro drops an icepath on you, the juggernaut can activate spin before getting stunned.
super gg
dfs
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Russian Federation4050 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-11 14:35:49
December 11 2013 14:34 GMT
#90197
There are more stuff like that. You can use items and instant spells if someone stuns you while you're nightmared before the stun applies (stun will be casted, but you can BKB/Rage and it won't stun you, for example).
Writerhttp://i.imgur.com/Q1jSb9X.jpg (c) Shiro; http://i.imgur.com/lSDLLKb.png (c) drav
igotmyown
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4291 Posts
December 11 2013 15:11 GMT
#90198
On December 11 2013 22:50 dfs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 21:01 solidbebe wrote:
Is it possible to blink out of chronosphere with puck's phase shift?

You can't, you get stuck in chrono.
The way phase shift works is that it puts you back on the map and only after that it carries out your command. So you can't blink out of Ice Path, Chronosphere ect. and sometimes DoT spells can cancel your blink out of shift in time.
At least that is how it supposed to work, but thanks to Dota 2 Engine sometimes you might be able to blink out of stuff that you are not supposed to.

No, you definitely can in dota2 as long as you don't change directions.

But instant casts still get stuck (slark, sand king)
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-11 15:17:14
December 11 2013 15:11 GMT
#90199
On December 11 2013 22:50 dfs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 21:01 solidbebe wrote:
Is it possible to blink out of chronosphere with puck's phase shift?

You can't, you get stuck in chrono.
The way phase shift works is that it puts you back on the map and only after that it carries out your command. So you can't blink out of Ice Path, Chronosphere ect. and sometimes DoT spells can cancel your blink out of shift in time.
At least that is how it supposed to work, but thanks to Dota 2 Engine sometimes you might be able to blink out of stuff that you are not supposed to.


I thought the way spells like that work is they check every .2s (or some interval that's not every frame) and apply the effect to anyone in the AoE. Since blink is instant if you don't need to turn you'll have a pretty good shot of slipping away.

Reading more suggests that if it's different from DotA1 it's because DotA1 had explicit exceptions for things like phase shift. So it would specifically check for a phase shifted puck and apply the chrono pause to it even though they have a flag in general indicates they shouldn't be a valid target for the pause.
Logo
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8279 Posts
December 11 2013 15:15 GMT
#90200
On December 12 2013 00:11 Logo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 22:50 dfs wrote:
On December 11 2013 21:01 solidbebe wrote:
Is it possible to blink out of chronosphere with puck's phase shift?

You can't, you get stuck in chrono.
The way phase shift works is that it puts you back on the map and only after that it carries out your command. So you can't blink out of Ice Path, Chronosphere ect. and sometimes DoT spells can cancel your blink out of shift in time.
At least that is how it supposed to work, but thanks to Dota 2 Engine sometimes you might be able to blink out of stuff that you are not supposed to.


I thought the way spells like that work is they check every .2s (or some interval that's not every frame) and apply the effect to anyone in the AoE. Since blink is instant if you don't need to turn you'll have a pretty good shot of slipping away.


Normal dot effects, including icepath, does that. Blinking out of effects from phase shift if you're facing the right direction is not a bug. I'm unsure whether chrono triggers the same way. I don't think you're suppose to be able to blink out of that.
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