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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
It's not going to be surprising to see it actually go live with this. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On December 11 2013 09:34 Kuroeeah wrote: he put a lot of work into impersonating someone he's not. People have put a lot more work in similar things. A changelog is pretty simple tbh. http://imgur.com/5KHDqbe | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On December 11 2013 09:39 trinxified wrote: Lol this "fake" patch is just as crazy as the last one. We all thought it ain't real either, but look what happened... It's not going to be surprising to see it actually go live with this. the last patch was crazy but there's a method in madness. there's some shit i don't like at all in 6.79 even now but ice has a vision and you can see the groundwork on why there was a change after playing some games.i don't think you can argue that 6.79 is more aggressive, rat dota although it remains a viable option is weaker, supports are now stronger, the offlane opens options and IMO is so much more fucking fun to play. i may not agree with all of them but there's some solid changes that even pros themselves said they liked a lot more as a result and it's not a secret at all that ice has been aiming for a much more aggressive/shorter average length of time Dota for a long while now. i don't pretend to know ice inside out but i feel there is no way i'm wrong that this shit is fake. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
Yes, the last patch was insane. Yes, these "leaked" notes are less insane. How does that change the fact that not one single leaked patch in the last two years has been genuine? What's more likely: that some random denizen of the interwebs mashed together some notes and uploaded them, or that our myhical secret-identity overlord left a draft set lying around where they could be picked up? That's pretty much the only analysis that matters, here. And I know where my vote goes. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
On December 11 2013 09:48 SKC wrote: People have put a lot more work in similar things. A changelog is pretty simple tbh. http://imgur.com/5KHDqbe Its impressive how much work and money people want to put into tricking other people to think they are devs "leaking" information. I honestly thought it was just bored kids who'd do things like that, then thesurvivor2299 came along proving once and for all just how bored grown ups can be too. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On December 11 2013 09:52 Belisarius wrote: Why is everyone suddenly examining these fakenotes as if there's a serious chance they're real? Yes, the last patch was insane. Yes, these "leaked" notes are less insane. How does that change the fact that not one single leaked patch in the last two years has been genuine? What's more likely: that some random denizen of the interwebs mashed together some notes and uploaded them, or that our myhical secret-identity overlord left a draft set lying around where they could be picked up? That's pretty much the only analysis that matters, here. And I know where my vote goes. It's more about the reasoning. Yes, they are most likely fake. But I have no doubt people would be calling 6.79 fake as well if it had been leaked. This isn't fake because it's not "IceFroggy" or because it's hard to implement on Dota 1. People would waste no time in calling bullshit on removing the speed limit for BloodSeeker. On December 11 2013 09:53 Excludos wrote: Its impressive how much work and money people want to put into tricking other people to think they are devs "leaking" information. I honestly thought it was just bored kids who'd do things like that, then thesurvivor2299 came along proving once and for all just how bored grown ups can be too. That wasn't a trick. It was released in Reddit as a mock patch note. People just enjoy creating this sort of thing. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On December 11 2013 09:52 Belisarius wrote: Why is everyone suddenly examining these fakenotes as if there's a serious chance they're real? Yes, the last patch was insane. Yes, these "leaked" notes are less insane. How does that change the fact that not one single leaked patch in the last two years has been genuine? What's more likely: that some random denizen of the interwebs mashed together some notes and uploaded them, or that our myhical secret-identity overlord left a draft set lying around where they could be picked up? That's pretty much the only analysis that matters, here. And I know where my vote goes. the thing is that commentators and pros are given a heads up of what some of the changes are going to be. you know the buyback change in 6.79? it was something fear and other pros said needed change before the patch notes were out. there are snippets of info given out to people that are close to ice about specific changes so i can understand why people believe in leaks. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On December 11 2013 09:55 SKC wrote: It's more about the reasoning. Yes, they are most likely fake. But I have no doubt people would be calling 6.79 fake as well if it had been leaked. This isn't fake because it's not "IceFroggy" or because it's hard to implement on Dota 1. People would waste no time in calling bullshit on removing the speed limit for BloodSeeker. bro hon was the first to break the ms limit on one of their heroes before dota did. s2 > ice | ||
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NotYango
United States719 Posts
On December 11 2013 09:55 SKC wrote: This isn't fake because it's not "IceFroggy" or because it's hard to implement on Dota 1. People would waste no time in calling bullshit on removing the speed limit for BloodSeeker. IIRC there was a really old DotA hero that had an ult that put her movespeed beyond the MS cap. EDIT: ![[image loading]](http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/2674/ranwholedy9.jpg) | ||
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Excludos
Norway8279 Posts
On December 11 2013 10:04 NotYango wrote: IIRC there was a really old DotA hero that had an ult that put her movespeed beyond the MS cap. Did anyone figure out how he did it exactly? I heard a lot of people talk about how the ms limit is hardcoded into wc3, and how it should be impossible. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On December 11 2013 10:04 NotYango wrote: IIRC there was a really old DotA hero that had an ult that put her movespeed beyond the MS cap. EDIT: + Show Spoiler + It doesn't change the fact that people would jump at things like that to point out the patch isn't legit, or do you think that wouldn't happen? And that's not the only one. If he manages to implement Slark ult, uncap the MS, add ranged LS aura, etc. He may as well be able to implement some of these changes. | ||
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Kuroeeah
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Nixer
2774 Posts
On December 11 2013 10:06 Excludos wrote: Did anyone figure out how he did it exactly? I heard a lot of people talk about how the ms limit is hardcoded into wc3, and how it should be impossible. I believe you can circumvent the hardcoded MS limit by using different scripts/triggers, but not in any other way. I'm not completely sure if it works like that though. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On December 11 2013 10:06 Excludos wrote: Did anyone figure out how he did it exactly? I heard a lot of people talk about how the ms limit is hardcoded into wc3, and how it should be impossible. The two ways i know of to break speed limit in WC3 were to enable a cinematic or to use effect-less timed pushes (like with spirit breaker) On December 11 2013 10:07 SKC wrote: And that's not the only one. If he manages to implement Slark ult, uncap the MS, add ranged LS aura, etc. He may as well be able to implement some of these changes. I've added ranged lifesteal auras before back when i was trying to make maps. its relatively simple involves reading a buff from the aura and triggering another buff to apply the lifesteal. Slark ult i've seen done before as well, but in an RPG map but it wasn't me. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On December 11 2013 10:14 PrinceXizor wrote: The two ways i know of to break speed limit in WC3 were to enable a cinematic or to use effect-less timed pushes (like with spirit breaker) I've added ranged lifesteal auras before back when i was trying to make maps. its relatively simple involves reading a buff from the aura and triggering another buff to apply the lifesteal. Slark ult i've seen done before as well, but in an RPG map. You may have seen it in a RPG, but did it have the same means of detection Dota has? Disabling true sight for towers, how pause state works with it, etc. From what I've read about it people that have a lot of knowledge coding in WC3 didn't know how to make it work without being buggy. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On December 11 2013 10:06 Excludos wrote: Did anyone figure out how he did it exactly? I heard a lot of people talk about how the ms limit is hardcoded into wc3, and how it should be impossible. One way to do it is extrapolating the direction a unit is moving. The unit itself moves at 522, but then you trigger movement (think of it like forcestaff) to make up the difference of it moving at say 600. | ||
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NotYango
United States719 Posts
On December 11 2013 10:07 SKC wrote: And that's not the only one. If he manages to implement Slark ult, uncap the MS, add ranged LS aura, etc. He may as well be able to implement some of these changes. Slark ulti, if he did it how I think he did is actually quite clever. There are actually two kinds of invisible states in DotA, and detection can be set to reveal one, the other, or both. The other invisible state is burrowed, which people forget about. Realistically could have been used for Slark ulti, even though it's a bit weird and he'd have to modify existing detection to be consistent. | ||
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Nixer
2774 Posts
Then again I haven't actually played around with the WC3 map editor that much myself so it's probably better if you look to someone who has proper experience in these specific things. | ||
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icystorage
Jollibee19350 Posts
On December 11 2013 10:21 NotYango wrote: Slark ulti, if he did it how I think he did is actually quite clever. There are actually two kinds of invisible states in DotA, and detection can be set to reveal one, the other, or both. The other invisible state is burrowed, which people forget about. Realistically could have been used for Slark ulti, even though it's a bit weird and he'd have to modify existing detection to be consistent. notyango confirmed noticefrog | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On December 11 2013 10:21 Nixer wrote: I'm also led to believe that different interactions with the ranged lifesteal might be buggy, such as splash attack and whatnot. Then again I haven't actually played around with the WC3 map editor that much myself so it's probably better if you look to someone who has proper experience in these specific things. The biggest bug i had with ranged lifesteal auras was trying to get them to linger properly. icefrog obviously could introduce a far more elegant solution than mine, since i was a relative novice at triggering, but the way i did it i had to set the duration of the buff separate. so the holder of the aura couldn't keep the ranged lifesteal, nor could people use the typical WC3 aura style of things keeping the aura after leaving the AOE for a while. it was inconsistent based on how long they've spent in the aura. I worked around that by putting it on a ward-type unit and making the ability summon the ward. | ||
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