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rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
December 02 2013 21:34 GMT
#88861
puck vs queen of pain
who wins lane?
who contributes more damage to teamfights?
who contributes more utility to teamfights?

assuming equal player skill
The Notorious Winkles
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
December 02 2013 21:37 GMT
#88862
On December 03 2013 06:34 rysecake wrote:
puck vs queen of pain
who wins lane?
who contributes more damage to teamfights?
who contributes more utility to teamfights?

assuming equal player skill


The answer to all your questions is both.
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
December 02 2013 21:38 GMT
#88863
qop if she doesn't over extend.

qop dmg

puck utility

i answered in 3 seconds without thinking so take what I just said very seriously.
http://i.imgur.com/fAUOr2c.png | Fighting games are great
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-02 21:42:42
December 02 2013 21:41 GMT
#88864
Puck wins lane when no runes/ganks/outside concerns. Its quite close though. Not enough to call puck a counterpick. This matchup is EXTREMELY skill based. Puck definitely wins though.

Qop is definitely higher damage around 6-7, by the time its 11 I think its closer but qop remains ahead all game.

Puck is obviously far more utility with stun/movement restriction ult plus a silence.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
December 02 2013 21:42 GMT
#88865
I discovered something kind of hilarious just now in a match. Naix's rage doesn't remove QoP's slow, it only makes the hero immune to like 1 tick of damage. Even if that weren't the case you can burn all his mana from forcing rages really easy.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-02 21:53:31
December 02 2013 21:51 GMT
#88866
Who wins the lane is basically close enough to be more dependent on player skill than on the hero choice in almost all cases. Even in the cases where you have two players that are evenly matched, which hero is favored depends on the level of play.

On December 03 2013 06:42 Nevuk wrote:
I discovered something kind of hilarious just now in a match. Naix's rage doesn't remove QoP's slow, it only makes the hero immune to like 1 tick of damage. Even if that weren't the case you can burn all his mana from forcing rages really easy.

Correct.

All Shadow Strike-based debuffs are not removed by Magic Immunity.
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-02 21:55:33
December 02 2013 21:52 GMT
#88867
On December 03 2013 06:34 rysecake wrote:
puck vs queen of pain
who wins lane?
who contributes more damage to teamfights?
who contributes more utility to teamfights?

assuming equal player skill

puck (except of course u have an unevenly matched matchup like relic vs rtz)
qop
puck

Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
December 02 2013 21:54 GMT
#88868
On December 03 2013 06:51 TheYango wrote:
Who wins the lane is basically close enough to be more dependent on player skill than on the hero choice in almost all cases. Even in the cases where you have two players that are evenly matched, which hero is favored depends on the level of play.

Show nested quote +
On December 03 2013 06:42 Nevuk wrote:
I discovered something kind of hilarious just now in a match. Naix's rage doesn't remove QoP's slow, it only makes the hero immune to like 1 tick of damage. Even if that weren't the case you can burn all his mana from forcing rages really easy.

Correct.

All Shadow Strike-based debuffs are not removed by Magic Immunity.


what would you say are the closest matchups 1v1 mid (in a vacuum, no mirrors)
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10966 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-02 22:03:04
December 02 2013 22:02 GMT
#88869
In reality it's most likely the one that makes his team win the first few ganks/teamfight (which both are capable off again ^^).
Sn0_Man
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
Tebellong44238 Posts
December 02 2013 22:04 GMT
#88870
Closest or most skill based?

Closest is some garbage like Riki vs Faceless Void (bad example since void has infinite dmg but you get the idea) where you have 2 retard heroes that can't really skill difference each other beyond lasthitting.

Puck vs Qop is a very popular, close, hugely skill testing one though. As in probably the most balanced one that is somewhat popular and hugely reliant on skill.

I'd imagine windrunner would spawn quite a few even matchups as well vs other good heroes (Puck/Qop etc).
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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
December 02 2013 22:05 GMT
#88871
SF-Tinker use to be a good one before the March changes.
Get it by your hands...
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
December 02 2013 22:39 GMT
#88872
did i just miss it or havent the 2 new VP players been mentioned anywhere?
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
December 02 2013 22:41 GMT
#88873
On December 03 2013 07:05 Judicator wrote:
SF-Tinker use to be a good one before the March changes.


You do realize there's Laser-Rocket build that eats SF alive
Dead9
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States4725 Posts
December 02 2013 23:07 GMT
#88874
qop vs puck is pretty even in mid
it basically comes down to lasthitting and lane control
it's pretty impossible for either hero to die unless u screw up
Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
December 02 2013 23:27 GMT
#88875
sf beats ta guys

or something
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
December 02 2013 23:32 GMT
#88876
yeah no
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
December 03 2013 00:09 GMT
#88877
can't we just talk about how we don't have icons for all the post TI teams?
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
December 03 2013 00:23 GMT
#88878
who cares about mlg champion we got red pandas icon
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
December 03 2013 00:25 GMT
#88879
qpandas what a team
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
December 03 2013 01:31 GMT
#88880
what boot do i get on puck? the hero feels slow naturally.
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
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