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Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
November 25 2013 22:37 GMT
#88181
On November 26 2013 05:18 Qbek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 05:10 Testuser wrote:
On November 26 2013 04:54 Pjorren wrote:
Hello guys. How do you make solo queue pubs an enjoyable experience? I rarely have fun playing solo queue unfortunately :/.

Take a break from "trying" and just do some wonky games. Random and go jungle with whatever hero. Take bloodseeker and jungle. Take mag and jungle. Roam with support Void. Do crazy shit.
Then when you go back, it'll all be better.

Soooo... Be the annoying one for a few games

wow

No, you can still try to win the game. I don't think playing the game in an unorthodox manner has to ruin it for the other players. Especially not when you're soloq'ing
https://soundcloud.com/papercranesdk
RuskiPanda
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2906 Posts
November 25 2013 22:43 GMT
#88182
On November 26 2013 07:37 Testuser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 05:18 Qbek wrote:
On November 26 2013 05:10 Testuser wrote:
On November 26 2013 04:54 Pjorren wrote:
Hello guys. How do you make solo queue pubs an enjoyable experience? I rarely have fun playing solo queue unfortunately :/.

Take a break from "trying" and just do some wonky games. Random and go jungle with whatever hero. Take bloodseeker and jungle. Take mag and jungle. Roam with support Void. Do crazy shit.
Then when you go back, it'll all be better.

Soooo... Be the annoying one for a few games

wow

No, you can still try to win the game. I don't think playing the game in an unorthodox manner has to ruin it for the other players. Especially not when you're soloq'ing


That only really works if you're smurfing. Good luck not ruining a game with a roaming void against a trilane and competent offlaner.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
November 25 2013 22:50 GMT
#88183
On November 26 2013 07:32 TheYango wrote:
People don't buy Midas to copy pros, people buy Midas because they like the item and are awful at judging the types of game states where such a situational item is actually good.

Being able to judge how the game will develop over the next 5-10 minutes is a skill that the majority of pub players are not very good at.


DK wasn't very good at it either
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
November 25 2013 22:53 GMT
#88184
On November 26 2013 07:43 RuskiPanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 07:37 Testuser wrote:
On November 26 2013 05:18 Qbek wrote:
On November 26 2013 05:10 Testuser wrote:
On November 26 2013 04:54 Pjorren wrote:
Hello guys. How do you make solo queue pubs an enjoyable experience? I rarely have fun playing solo queue unfortunately :/.

Take a break from "trying" and just do some wonky games. Random and go jungle with whatever hero. Take bloodseeker and jungle. Take mag and jungle. Roam with support Void. Do crazy shit.
Then when you go back, it'll all be better.

Soooo... Be the annoying one for a few games

wow

No, you can still try to win the game. I don't think playing the game in an unorthodox manner has to ruin it for the other players. Especially not when you're soloq'ing


That only really works if you're smurfing. Good luck not ruining a game with a roaming void against a trilane and competent offlaner.

In most pubs that will suffice, honestly, if you know how to play the different heroes. And he wanted something to break his bad mood, so he'd enjoy normal sq again, and I think getting a "break from reality" does just that. The void roam was the absolute worst example, but whatever.
https://soundcloud.com/papercranesdk
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 25 2013 23:08 GMT
#88185
On November 26 2013 07:50 Kupon3ss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 07:32 TheYango wrote:
People don't buy Midas to copy pros, people buy Midas because they like the item and are awful at judging the types of game states where such a situational item is actually good.

Being able to judge how the game will develop over the next 5-10 minutes is a skill that the majority of pub players are not very good at.


DK wasn't very good at it either

lol

Sad, but true.
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Staboteur
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada1873 Posts
November 25 2013 23:41 GMT
#88186
Yeah, most pubs can sustain a fully roaming alch/veno/earthshaker , or silly dual lane mids, or heroes built unconventionally (CRYSTALYS MAIDEN GOGOGOGO) without being the sole determinant of the outcome. The skill differential in pubs would almost always overtake the build quality differential between a Crystal Maiden that chucks iceballs of pain, or the crystal maiden that plays her standard role.

That said, that only applies if your team is willing to work with you in your intentionally inefficient build choice. Which is basically never the case in pubs.
I'm actually Fleetfeet D:
Appendix
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden979 Posts
November 26 2013 00:17 GMT
#88187
The key to enjoying pubs is realizing the only one you can entirely trust is you and you only. I don't mean it in a "fuck my team"-kind of way, but more to see it like it's 5 players with a sort of similar goal, rather than one team. There's no point in getting irritated at that guy because he didn't play the way you thought he should have, or that other guy for not building that item. Don't assume that just because you randomed or picked a hard carry someone wants to babysit you, or just because you picked 4 really farm dependant heroes the last player feels like playing that 6th role.. Just try to strike that balance between what you feel like and what is appropriate or necessary for the game, figure out what your allies' and enemies' gameplans are and work with what you get.
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-26 00:21:21
November 26 2013 00:21 GMT
#88188
there was a pro that said the reason why midas is good was because of the attack speed on supports.
idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
November 26 2013 00:23 GMT
#88189
On November 26 2013 09:17 Appendix wrote:
The key to enjoying pubs is realizing the only one you can entirely trust is you and you only. I don't mean it in a "fuck my team"-kind of way, but more to see it like it's 5 players with a sort of similar goal, rather than one team. There's no point in getting irritated at that guy because he didn't play the way you thought he should have, or that other guy for not building that item. Don't assume that just because you randomed or picked a hard carry someone wants to babysit you, or just because you picked 4 really farm dependant heroes the last player feels like playing that 6th role.. Just try to strike that balance between what you feel like and what is appropriate or necessary for the game, figure out what your allies' and enemies' gameplans are and work with what you get.


If i want to win i play a (hard)carry right click hero, if i don't care i play something that is actually fun.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
November 26 2013 00:28 GMT
#88190
On November 26 2013 09:21 Kuroeeah wrote:
there was a pro that said the reason why midas is good was because of the attack speed on supports.


all that reliable gold tho
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Hagen0
Profile Joined June 2013
Germany765 Posts
November 26 2013 00:39 GMT
#88191
What is the reason for Midas giving reliable Gold anyway? It seems counterintuivive.
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
November 26 2013 00:54 GMT
#88192
On November 26 2013 09:39 Hagen0 wrote:
What is the reason for Midas giving reliable Gold anyway? It seems counterintuivive.

how come?
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
November 26 2013 00:57 GMT
#88193
i just thought of something, i wonder if mlg has the complete teamchat soundfiles saved up from MLG and would release 1 or 2 of them maybe to sync up with the replays
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Belisarius
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-26 01:17:51
November 26 2013 01:15 GMT
#88194
On November 26 2013 08:41 Staboteur wrote:
That said, that only applies if your team is willing to work with you in your intentionally inefficient build choice. Which is basically never the case in pubs.


This is the single most important thing. And you'd be surprised how many people will be willing to do so if you actually say something.

Just tell the team what you're doing. Do not silently pick CM, wait until your team picks around the obvious support, and then announce that you're going mid and "We need wards!" at the displaced storm spirit.
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-26 01:31:38
November 26 2013 01:31 GMT
#88195
is there any up and coming dota 2 tournament worth watching? TL calendar shows only november events

edit: didn't click 'more' =.= srry
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
Hagen0
Profile Joined June 2013
Germany765 Posts
November 26 2013 01:40 GMT
#88196
On November 26 2013 09:54 icystorage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 09:39 Hagen0 wrote:
What is the reason for Midas giving reliable Gold anyway? It seems counterintuivive.

how come?


Typically reliable gold is gained by killing heros and objectives. Unreliable gold is gaind by farming except when you use midas to kill the creep.
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
November 26 2013 01:46 GMT
#88197
On November 26 2013 10:40 Hagen0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 09:54 icystorage wrote:
On November 26 2013 09:39 Hagen0 wrote:
What is the reason for Midas giving reliable Gold anyway? It seems counterintuivive.

how come?


Typically reliable gold is gained by killing heros and objectives. Unreliable gold is gaind by farming except when you use midas to kill the creep.

what you didn't mention is reliable gold is non deductable upon death which midas gives even though you use it on creeps.
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
November 26 2013 02:22 GMT
#88198
On November 26 2013 10:46 icystorage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 10:40 Hagen0 wrote:
On November 26 2013 09:54 icystorage wrote:
On November 26 2013 09:39 Hagen0 wrote:
What is the reason for Midas giving reliable Gold anyway? It seems counterintuivive.

how come?


Typically reliable gold is gained by killing heros and objectives. Unreliable gold is gaind by farming except when you use midas to kill the creep.

what you didn't mention is reliable gold is non deductable upon death which midas gives even though you use it on creeps.

He was explaining why it was counterintuitive for Midas to give reliable gold, when it's used on creeps that normally give unreliable gold.
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
November 26 2013 02:24 GMT
#88199
isn't that one of the perks of Midas?
LiquidDota StaffAre you ready for a Miracle-? We are! The International 2017 Champions!
Cool Cat
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1644 Posts
November 26 2013 02:30 GMT
#88200
grats to speedgaming guys
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