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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42417 Posts
November 22 2013 13:35 GMT
#87841
What about it? DH realized that they could hire a DJ that is annoyingly popular among the scene because of one song.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
ahswtini
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Northern Ireland22213 Posts
November 22 2013 13:37 GMT
#87842
Why not?
"As I've said, balance isn't about strategies or counters, it's about probability and statistics." - paralleluniverse
Excludos
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway8279 Posts
November 22 2013 13:39 GMT
#87843
On November 22 2013 21:49 Asha` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 20:50 Unleashing wrote:
I feel like necrolyte's new voice is meant for a different model. Valve certainly isn't letting it stay like this, you can barely even understand it.


It just sounds like it's being played at 1/3 speed.


Its obviously a temp solution. But what happened to necrolyte? Did they lose the rights to his name?
idonthinksobro
Profile Joined December 2010
3138 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-22 13:40:46
November 22 2013 13:39 GMT
#87844
On November 21 2013 22:35 Firebolt145 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 22:05 idonthinksobro wrote:
why are pros playing alchemist as support? in pubs he is a hard carry most of the time, isn't greevils greed a skill that allows for insane snowballing?

Because his stun is insanely good, acid spray is pretty useful, and his ult allows him to be a lot more survivable than the average support, and because greed allows him to get support items much faster than other heroes would.


but why is he almost never played as a carry, especially with stacked camps he can easily get a 5-6k item ahead of the enemys carry.
DaMuffinman
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1705 Posts
November 22 2013 13:46 GMT
#87845
On November 22 2013 22:30 Yoshi- wrote:
http://www.dreamhack.se/dhw13/2013/11/22/darude-live-at-dreamhack/

???? what?


They always have some relatively big DJs there. Last year (or 2 years ago) they had Headhunterz, one of the biggest Hardstyle names of that time.
But does it djent?
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
November 22 2013 14:01 GMT
#87846
Even I improved my Dota knowledge multiple times since I watch Tobi cast for the first time. He stays at the same spot from the beginning. He doesn't even try to improve. Anyone can pass the point where Tobi is by mildly interested in Dota.

Compare him with BTS, which are considerably improved over time, also more colorful and more value in production, there is simply no way for Tobi to compete with them. We can argue that there shouldn't be any competition but when there is money on the table, it can't go otherwise.

Tobi should have tried harder to stay on top instead of relying "shouting".
“Are you with the Cartel? Because you’re definitely an Angel.”
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-22 14:07:13
November 22 2013 14:02 GMT
#87847
On November 22 2013 22:39 Excludos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 21:49 Asha` wrote:
On November 22 2013 20:50 Unleashing wrote:
I feel like necrolyte's new voice is meant for a different model. Valve certainly isn't letting it stay like this, you can barely even understand it.


It just sounds like it's being played at 1/3 speed.


Its obviously a temp solution. But what happened to necrolyte? Did they lose the rights to his name?


It's used by Blizzard, so given all the other changes I'm presuming there is conflict

http://www.wowwiki.com/Necrolyte

(perhaps now because of Heroes, or perhaps because the next expansion has it's weird timelines they'll be involved there)
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
November 22 2013 15:27 GMT
#87848
On November 22 2013 21:22 toemn wrote:
Tobi should quit JD and switch over to 2GD. Freaks4you (the company behind JoinDota) has ruined many other Esports projects because they only care about money. If their sites are only mildly successful, they will stop investing and just let it die out eventually when it's not profitable anymore, exactly what is happening to JD at the moment. They have gotten VERY lucky that they found TobiWan who made Joindota famous. The site itself is poorly made and costs them less to nothing to maintain.

I don't even know why people are STILL complaining about Tobiwans casting. He accomplishes something which very little casters (or caster duos) can, which is hype up a match like it is TI finals. He got me into Dota2 and many others aswell. I am sure he isn't paid very much (maybe 1.8k€ at most) for his casting at JD. If he quit and made his own studio or joined another big one he would have made more I'm sure.

GO TOBI


honestly? If it was TI1 - The Defense 1 era I'd 100% agree, but as it stands right now, I'll watch LD if I want to get hyped.
ffxiv enjoyer
Zocat
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2229 Posts
November 22 2013 15:31 GMT
#87849
On November 22 2013 20:32 SilverStar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 18:02 Saryph wrote:
On November 22 2013 17:59 SilverStar wrote:
@TobiWanDOTA: Will not use facebook or twitter for at least 12hrs to avoid saying something I will regret


From Tobi.

Starladder hired BTS for this season instead of Tobi, most likely due to his inability to cover quite a few games last season, when the league was smaller.

Hmm makes sense. He really was only casting a few matches he wanted to and left most games uncovered. So I guess they got fed up with him. As others have said, tobi has some much more potential too bad he is stuck with freaks4u.


Yeah, I often wanted to watch some (English) and started it only to find out Sheever was casting. Tobi was basically never casting and if you announce your tournament (ticket?) with Tobi as English maincaster and he isnt there for 50% of the time....
You drop him.

I dont really like LD, his casting intonation during hype/action moments sound too mechanical to me. He's better than Aysee in that regard (and basically every regard as well^^) but it still doesnt excite me. On the contrary.
Nixer
Profile Joined July 2011
2774 Posts
November 22 2013 15:36 GMT
#87850
On November 22 2013 23:01 Laserist wrote:
Even I improved my Dota knowledge multiple times since I watch Tobi cast for the first time. He stays at the same spot from the beginning. He doesn't even try to improve. Anyone can pass the point where Tobi is by mildly interested in Dota.

Compare him with BTS, which are considerably improved over time, also more colorful and more value in production, there is simply no way for Tobi to compete with them. We can argue that there shouldn't be any competition but when there is money on the table, it can't go otherwise.

Tobi should have tried harder to stay on top instead of relying "shouting".

He doesn't even try to improve? Come on, perhaps he could try harder, but that's just pure fallacy.
I really don't understand some of the attitudes towards Tobi and the views some people have.
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Delphiki
Profile Joined October 2012
Philippines1955 Posts
November 22 2013 15:43 GMT
#87851
Not surprising since other studios have improved tremendously while JD kinda sucked. Improve or be left behind!
hfglgg
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany5372 Posts
November 22 2013 15:47 GMT
#87852
On November 23 2013 00:36 Nixer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 23:01 Laserist wrote:
Even I improved my Dota knowledge multiple times since I watch Tobi cast for the first time. He stays at the same spot from the beginning. He doesn't even try to improve. Anyone can pass the point where Tobi is by mildly interested in Dota.

Compare him with BTS, which are considerably improved over time, also more colorful and more value in production, there is simply no way for Tobi to compete with them. We can argue that there shouldn't be any competition but when there is money on the table, it can't go otherwise.

Tobi should have tried harder to stay on top instead of relying "shouting".

He doesn't even try to improve? Come on, perhaps he could try harder, but that's just pure fallacy.
I really don't understand some of the attitudes towards Tobi and the views some people have.


because people are stupid.

the days where tobi didnt know how most of the more complicated spells worked are over for a long long time now and if a patch is live for a couple of month is predictions in the drafting stages are astonishly good for a non pro player.

people just like to hate, thats all.
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
November 22 2013 15:49 GMT
#87853
On November 22 2013 23:01 Laserist wrote:
Even I improved my Dota knowledge multiple times since I watch Tobi cast for the first time. He stays at the same spot from the beginning. He doesn't even try to improve. Anyone can pass the point where Tobi is by mildly interested in Dota.

Compare him with BTS, which are considerably improved over time, also more colorful and more value in production, there is simply no way for Tobi to compete with them. We can argue that there shouldn't be any competition but when there is money on the table, it can't go otherwise.

Tobi should have tried harder to stay on top instead of relying "shouting".


100% Agree. He has been casting dota for ages but his knowledge is still terrible.

Another problem I have with Tobi is that he sounds so fake now. Go listen to one of his old casts and then listen to a more recent one.
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
November 22 2013 15:54 GMT
#87854
Are you saying Tobi is the Tasteless of Dota 2?
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42417 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-22 15:58:33
November 22 2013 15:55 GMT
#87855
On November 23 2013 00:49 BlitzerSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 23:01 Laserist wrote:
Even I improved my Dota knowledge multiple times since I watch Tobi cast for the first time. He stays at the same spot from the beginning. He doesn't even try to improve. Anyone can pass the point where Tobi is by mildly interested in Dota.

Compare him with BTS, which are considerably improved over time, also more colorful and more value in production, there is simply no way for Tobi to compete with them. We can argue that there shouldn't be any competition but when there is money on the table, it can't go otherwise.

Tobi should have tried harder to stay on top instead of relying "shouting".


Another problem I have with Tobi is that he sounds so fake now. Go listen to one of his old casts and then listen to a more recent one.


Fake as in when it comes to hyping? If you remember TI3, BTS / Ayesee were pretty bad when it came to hyping people up. That if anything sounded fake. I'm talking about games that just weren't exciting at all.

Comeh said it well under my post, i'm exactly talking about 'forced enthusiasm'.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
hadang
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany941 Posts
November 22 2013 15:55 GMT
#87856
My problem is, after listening to Saga/rmn/kuroky casts everything else feels bad
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
November 22 2013 15:56 GMT
#87857
On November 23 2013 00:49 BlitzerSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 22 2013 23:01 Laserist wrote:
Even I improved my Dota knowledge multiple times since I watch Tobi cast for the first time. He stays at the same spot from the beginning. He doesn't even try to improve. Anyone can pass the point where Tobi is by mildly interested in Dota.

Compare him with BTS, which are considerably improved over time, also more colorful and more value in production, there is simply no way for Tobi to compete with them. We can argue that there shouldn't be any competition but when there is money on the table, it can't go otherwise.

Tobi should have tried harder to stay on top instead of relying "shouting".


100% Agree. He has been casting dota for ages but his knowledge is still terrible.

Another problem I have with Tobi is that he sounds so fake now. Go listen to one of his old casts and then listen to a more recent one.

100% Disagree - he has improved his knowledge a LOT since he first started casting. Listen to some of his early casts - he pretty much has no idea what was going on, and just kind of talks about the action with no idea of some of the larger implications of the game.

I would say he also sounded a lot more fake back then - sort of forced enthusiasm (or at least making a huge deal over things like when the carry had 100 last hits [OH MY GOD HE ALREADY HAS 100 LAST HITS!!!!!!!!!!!!!])

I, however, can't stand Ayesee.

Like, not even a little.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 22 2013 15:57 GMT
#87858
On November 23 2013 00:47 hfglgg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 00:36 Nixer wrote:
On November 22 2013 23:01 Laserist wrote:
Even I improved my Dota knowledge multiple times since I watch Tobi cast for the first time. He stays at the same spot from the beginning. He doesn't even try to improve. Anyone can pass the point where Tobi is by mildly interested in Dota.

Compare him with BTS, which are considerably improved over time, also more colorful and more value in production, there is simply no way for Tobi to compete with them. We can argue that there shouldn't be any competition but when there is money on the table, it can't go otherwise.

Tobi should have tried harder to stay on top instead of relying "shouting".

He doesn't even try to improve? Come on, perhaps he could try harder, but that's just pure fallacy.
I really don't understand some of the attitudes towards Tobi and the views some people have.


because people are stupid.

the days where tobi didnt know how most of the more complicated spells worked are over for a long long time now and if a patch is live for a couple of month is predictions in the drafting stages are astonishly good for a non pro player.

people just like to hate, thats all.

He suffers from the same problem tasteless and artosis had/have. If you existing long enough in the scene, people just wait to see you "fail" or "loose your passion". Then everyone jumps on the train and presents a lot of "evidence" as to why things have changed. Happened to day9, JP, DJ wheat and everyone else. It's just the nature of Internet fame.
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WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
November 22 2013 15:58 GMT
#87859
On November 23 2013 00:47 hfglgg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 00:36 Nixer wrote:
On November 22 2013 23:01 Laserist wrote:
Even I improved my Dota knowledge multiple times since I watch Tobi cast for the first time. He stays at the same spot from the beginning. He doesn't even try to improve. Anyone can pass the point where Tobi is by mildly interested in Dota.

Compare him with BTS, which are considerably improved over time, also more colorful and more value in production, there is simply no way for Tobi to compete with them. We can argue that there shouldn't be any competition but when there is money on the table, it can't go otherwise.

Tobi should have tried harder to stay on top instead of relying "shouting".

He doesn't even try to improve? Come on, perhaps he could try harder, but that's just pure fallacy.
I really don't understand some of the attitudes towards Tobi and the views some people have.


because people are stupid.

the days where tobi didnt know how most of the more complicated spells worked are over for a long long time now and if a patch is live for a couple of month is predictions in the drafting stages are astonishly good for a non pro player.

people just like to hate, thats all.

Yes, this post above summarizes my thoughts about Tobi as well, he has been improving since I started watching Dota thanks to him.

I'm gonna wait a while, but I have a feeling that the next season of The Defense is approaching.
EZ4ENCE
Laserist
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey4269 Posts
November 22 2013 15:59 GMT
#87860
On November 23 2013 00:47 hfglgg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2013 00:36 Nixer wrote:
On November 22 2013 23:01 Laserist wrote:
Even I improved my Dota knowledge multiple times since I watch Tobi cast for the first time. He stays at the same spot from the beginning. He doesn't even try to improve. Anyone can pass the point where Tobi is by mildly interested in Dota.

Compare him with BTS, which are considerably improved over time, also more colorful and more value in production, there is simply no way for Tobi to compete with them. We can argue that there shouldn't be any competition but when there is money on the table, it can't go otherwise.

Tobi should have tried harder to stay on top instead of relying "shouting".

He doesn't even try to improve? Come on, perhaps he could try harder, but that's just pure fallacy.
I really don't understand some of the attitudes towards Tobi and the views some people have.


because people are stupid.

the days where tobi didnt know how most of the more complicated spells worked are over for a long long time now and if a patch is live for a couple of month is predictions in the drafting stages are astonishly good for a non pro player.

people just like to hate, thats all.


Improving doesn't mean learning spell names. He doesn't understand/analyze the game even in spectator level very well. Tobi is never considered as a technical caster but cmon, as a professional he can/should do much more better.
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