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Cres
Profile Joined November 2008
United States227 Posts
April 21 2012 17:45 GMT
#8481
Though I think back in EHOME's days, people gave 820 the credit he deserved
Fae
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 18:00:01
April 21 2012 17:51 GMT
#8482
On April 22 2012 02:45 Cres wrote:
Though I think back in EHOME's days, people gave 820 the credit he deserved

i think peoples give enough respect for NS as well.
imweakless
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
757 Posts
April 21 2012 17:57 GMT
#8483
On April 22 2012 02:45 Cres wrote:
Though I think back in EHOME's days, people gave 820 the credit he deserved

i guess it has something to do being the former carry of the team..
KMK,Qri,GsD#1, UEE,stork jangbi for life!
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
April 21 2012 18:01 GMT
#8484
On April 22 2012 02:45 Cres wrote:
Though I think back in EHOME's days, people gave 820 the credit he deserved

I mean, was there anyone on EHOME 2010 that was NOT recognized for excellence in their role?
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Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 18:13:11
April 21 2012 18:05 GMT
#8485
On April 22 2012 02:09 Zlasher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 23:51 Spicy_Curry wrote:
On April 21 2012 23:21 Zlasher wrote:
I don't think Kuroky is better than any of the Na'vi players honestly, and the teamwork that Na'vi have together bring them up that much more. People sometimes think of Navi as Dendi and 4others but honestly if you put them on a scale of 1-100, Dendi being say, 95, well the other 4 navi players are all 93/94, and the synergy they have together from playing so long together and winning everything together brings them up so much more.

Kuroky was great in Dota1 but even then he wasn't at the level of Na'vi in Dota2 in The International, he was an above average player in Panzer but not at the level of Na'vi, and he's still teamless and I don't think, in this current moment, he can compare to Navi, especially without a team to work with.


Giving dendi a 95, sure if you count only the western scene thats fine, but Na'Vi is an average team internationally speaking. Also LoH is probably the best player on Na'Vi IMO.

Was just using a number for reference. Want me to say Dendi is an 80 and the rest of navi is 78-79 then sure. I think like 2 years ago LoH is better than Dendi but just in the current state of Dota2, not Dota1, not chinese players who don't even play Dota2, then Dendi is the best. God is right up there, and then the rest of Na'vi probably with LoH, Puppey, Ars-art, and XBOCT in that order. Pajkatt maybe ahead of XBOCT if not right behind him, but PK plays a much more balls to the wall style where its either win in epic fashion or fail in epic fashion. The past month or so theres been not much failing from CLG so he's right up there.


Good thing you don't make power rankings, then again the people who do make power rankings suffer from "caster hype syndrome" as well.
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Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 18:41:26
April 21 2012 18:31 GMT
#8486
On April 22 2012 03:05 Spicy_Curry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2012 02:09 Zlasher wrote:
On April 21 2012 23:51 Spicy_Curry wrote:
On April 21 2012 23:21 Zlasher wrote:
I don't think Kuroky is better than any of the Na'vi players honestly, and the teamwork that Na'vi have together bring them up that much more. People sometimes think of Navi as Dendi and 4others but honestly if you put them on a scale of 1-100, Dendi being say, 95, well the other 4 navi players are all 93/94, and the synergy they have together from playing so long together and winning everything together brings them up so much more.

Kuroky was great in Dota1 but even then he wasn't at the level of Na'vi in Dota2 in The International, he was an above average player in Panzer but not at the level of Na'vi, and he's still teamless and I don't think, in this current moment, he can compare to Navi, especially without a team to work with.


Giving dendi a 95, sure if you count only the western scene thats fine, but Na'Vi is an average team internationally speaking. Also LoH is probably the best player on Na'Vi IMO.

Was just using a number for reference. Want me to say Dendi is an 80 and the rest of navi is 78-79 then sure. I think like 2 years ago LoH is better than Dendi but just in the current state of Dota2, not Dota1, not chinese players who don't even play Dota2, then Dendi is the best. God is right up there, and then the rest of Na'vi probably with LoH, Puppey, Ars-art, and XBOCT in that order. Pajkatt maybe ahead of XBOCT if not right behind him, but PK plays a much more balls to the wall style where its either win in epic fashion or fail in epic fashion. The past month or so theres been not much failing from CLG so he's right up there.


Good thing you don't make power rankings, then again the people who do make power rankings suffer from "caster hype syndrome" as well.

Anyone that isn't you suffers from "caster hype syndrome" apparently.

Edit: Not sure how I typed that the first time :D

This is the same logic used by every dota player.
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
April 21 2012 18:46 GMT
#8487
WehSing ''SingSing'' Yuen
scrimming vs INFS! going live soon
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man just how soon is his 'soon'
ffxiv enjoyer
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 19:05:19
April 21 2012 19:04 GMT
#8488
On April 22 2012 03:46 DoNotDisturb wrote:
WehSing ''SingSing'' Yuen
scrimming vs INFS! going live soon
Like · · Share · 129 · 28 minutes ago ·

man just how soon is his 'soon'

he is already online haha :D
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
April 21 2012 19:12 GMT
#8489
On April 22 2012 03:31 Durak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2012 03:05 Spicy_Curry wrote:
On April 22 2012 02:09 Zlasher wrote:
On April 21 2012 23:51 Spicy_Curry wrote:
On April 21 2012 23:21 Zlasher wrote:
I don't think Kuroky is better than any of the Na'vi players honestly, and the teamwork that Na'vi have together bring them up that much more. People sometimes think of Navi as Dendi and 4others but honestly if you put them on a scale of 1-100, Dendi being say, 95, well the other 4 navi players are all 93/94, and the synergy they have together from playing so long together and winning everything together brings them up so much more.

Kuroky was great in Dota1 but even then he wasn't at the level of Na'vi in Dota2 in The International, he was an above average player in Panzer but not at the level of Na'vi, and he's still teamless and I don't think, in this current moment, he can compare to Navi, especially without a team to work with.


Giving dendi a 95, sure if you count only the western scene thats fine, but Na'Vi is an average team internationally speaking. Also LoH is probably the best player on Na'Vi IMO.

Was just using a number for reference. Want me to say Dendi is an 80 and the rest of navi is 78-79 then sure. I think like 2 years ago LoH is better than Dendi but just in the current state of Dota2, not Dota1, not chinese players who don't even play Dota2, then Dendi is the best. God is right up there, and then the rest of Na'vi probably with LoH, Puppey, Ars-art, and XBOCT in that order. Pajkatt maybe ahead of XBOCT if not right behind him, but PK plays a much more balls to the wall style where its either win in epic fashion or fail in epic fashion. The past month or so theres been not much failing from CLG so he's right up there.


Good thing you don't make power rankings, then again the people who do make power rankings suffer from "caster hype syndrome" as well.

Anyone that isn't you suffers from "caster hype syndrome" apparently.

Edit: Not sure how I typed that the first time :D

This is the same logic used by every dota player.


we wouldnt be dota players if we thought differently
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blahz0r
Profile Joined December 2010
3030 Posts
April 21 2012 19:28 GMT
#8490
On April 22 2012 04:12 Spicy_Curry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2012 03:31 Durak wrote:
On April 22 2012 03:05 Spicy_Curry wrote:
On April 22 2012 02:09 Zlasher wrote:
On April 21 2012 23:51 Spicy_Curry wrote:
On April 21 2012 23:21 Zlasher wrote:
I don't think Kuroky is better than any of the Na'vi players honestly, and the teamwork that Na'vi have together bring them up that much more. People sometimes think of Navi as Dendi and 4others but honestly if you put them on a scale of 1-100, Dendi being say, 95, well the other 4 navi players are all 93/94, and the synergy they have together from playing so long together and winning everything together brings them up so much more.

Kuroky was great in Dota1 but even then he wasn't at the level of Na'vi in Dota2 in The International, he was an above average player in Panzer but not at the level of Na'vi, and he's still teamless and I don't think, in this current moment, he can compare to Navi, especially without a team to work with.


Giving dendi a 95, sure if you count only the western scene thats fine, but Na'Vi is an average team internationally speaking. Also LoH is probably the best player on Na'Vi IMO.

Was just using a number for reference. Want me to say Dendi is an 80 and the rest of navi is 78-79 then sure. I think like 2 years ago LoH is better than Dendi but just in the current state of Dota2, not Dota1, not chinese players who don't even play Dota2, then Dendi is the best. God is right up there, and then the rest of Na'vi probably with LoH, Puppey, Ars-art, and XBOCT in that order. Pajkatt maybe ahead of XBOCT if not right behind him, but PK plays a much more balls to the wall style where its either win in epic fashion or fail in epic fashion. The past month or so theres been not much failing from CLG so he's right up there.


Good thing you don't make power rankings, then again the people who do make power rankings suffer from "caster hype syndrome" as well.

Anyone that isn't you suffers from "caster hype syndrome" apparently.

Edit: Not sure how I typed that the first time :D

This is the same logic used by every dota player.


we wouldnt be dota players if we thought differently

Sure you would. Insert ragers/bmers/flamers/etc here. =x
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
April 21 2012 19:38 GMT
#8491
looking for sm more friends that has good relationship with EU/SEA teams so i could obs scrim.... watching NA scrim makes my eyes hurt ~_~
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Zlasher
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States9129 Posts
April 21 2012 19:52 GMT
#8492
Well you have to remember that Dendi does play initiator roles, Pudge for example isn't a carry he's an initiator and sets up the fights by getting one completely out of position, as well as heavily ganking. His impact on the game is enormous, so when people say all he does is make flashy moves, well those flashy moves win his team the fights, ganks, lanes, and match. If he hops on a windrunner and nails huge dual shackles that can lock down two of five heroes for 4 seconds, yeah its flashy, but it makes an impact. When he hooks 25 people in a match, its flashy, but it gets them wins.
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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
April 21 2012 20:37 GMT
#8493
LightofHeaven gives Navi a lot of flexibility, more so than the other players, but Na'Vi is a far better team than any of the others so individual player discussions is pretty mute/pointless.

As for KKY-, I really haven't seen anything new out of him since 3 years ago. Travaka Syndrome imo.
Get it by your hands...
Ayush_SCtoss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
India3051 Posts
April 21 2012 20:37 GMT
#8494
So I just got selected for Dota 2, got a pleasant surprise when I opened up steam today.
Downloading and here's hoping my craptop can handle it. I assume if it can handle Sc2 and LoL albeit on low graphics, it could hopefully handle dota 2 xD
End my suffering
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 20:43:16
April 21 2012 20:41 GMT
#8495
On April 22 2012 05:37 Judicator wrote:
LightofHeaven gives Navi a lot of flexibility, more so than the other players, but Na'Vi is a far better team than any of the others so individual player discussions is pretty mute/pointless.

As for KKY-, I really haven't seen anything new out of him since 3 years ago. Travaka Syndrome imo.

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mushi
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Stancel
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Singapore15360 Posts
April 21 2012 20:48 GMT
#8496
that interview was awkward as hell to read
ffxiv enjoyer
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
April 21 2012 20:54 GMT
#8497
On April 22 2012 05:41 rabidch wrote:
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On April 22 2012 05:37 Judicator wrote:
LightofHeaven gives Navi a lot of flexibility, more so than the other players, but Na'Vi is a far better team than any of the others so individual player discussions is pretty mute/pointless.

As for KKY-, I really haven't seen anything new out of him since 3 years ago. Travaka Syndrome imo.

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mushi


Speaking of Mushi-, where is he?
Get it by your hands...
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 20:56:22
April 21 2012 20:56 GMT
#8498
On April 22 2012 05:48 DoNotDisturb wrote:
that interview was awkward as hell to read

When we versus Navi, after the drafting ends, they shouted “ Kill Mushi “ non stop and loudly.


On April 22 2012 05:54 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2012 05:41 rabidch wrote:
On April 22 2012 05:37 Judicator wrote:
LightofHeaven gives Navi a lot of flexibility, more so than the other players, but Na'Vi is a far better team than any of the others so individual player discussions is pretty mute/pointless.

As for KKY-, I really haven't seen anything new out of him since 3 years ago. Travaka Syndrome imo.

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mushi


Speaking of Mushi-, where is he?

on orange dota, along with other MY allstars
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 21:14:34
April 21 2012 21:06 GMT
#8499
orange and zenith is fucking scary atm... i just watch them play other day x(... personal skill is top notch ~_~!

making potm and ES looks imbalance: SEA DotA

edit: off topic:
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Nilrem
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3684 Posts
April 21 2012 21:32 GMT
#8500
On April 22 2012 04:52 Zlasher wrote:
Well you have to remember that Dendi does play initiator roles, Pudge for example isn't a carry he's an initiator and sets up the fights by getting one completely out of position, as well as heavily ganking. His impact on the game is enormous, so when people say all he does is make flashy moves, well those flashy moves win his team the fights, ganks, lanes, and match. If he hops on a windrunner and nails huge dual shackles that can lock down two of five heroes for 4 seconds, yeah its flashy, but it makes an impact. When he hooks 25 people in a match, its flashy, but it gets them wins.


For myself, I was never a fan of Pudge. Although many would probably disagree, I think both Pudge and Vs are quite similar and I'd rather have Vs over Pudge.
Meepo Haters gonna Hate. https://twitter.com/KazeNilrem (@KazeNilrem)
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