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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
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K-Na
Canada86 Posts
On April 20 2012 04:10 Kupon3ss wrote: You wouldn't be going to runes unless u were going that way anyways, the idea is to have an anchor mid that's very tanky and bottle courier to continuously pressure and prevent the opposing mid from leaving the lane while being unable to do anything to the DK well yes, with bottle courier. the guy who i was replying to asked if he could go bottle without ferrying the bottle via courier. | ||
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Tryhat
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Anyway, I have a question regarding that mid situation. Say you're laning in mid against a SF, DK, Lesh, BM (any of them) or something like that. You're NS, Tiny, Atro, Pudge, or any other ganker that wants to get the move on before or around level 6. So, you want to go gank, but the moment you do the opponent will rape (or at least do dirty things to) your tower. How do you deal with this situation, in competitive matches and in pubs? | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On April 20 2012 06:16 Tryhat wrote: Anyway, I have a question regarding that mid situation. Say you're laning in mid against a SF, DK, Lesh, BM (any of them) or something like that. You're NS, Tiny, Atro, Pudge, or any other ganker that wants to get the move on before or around level 6. So, you want to go gank, but the moment you do the opponent will rape (or at least do dirty things to) your tower. How do you deal with this situation, in competitive matches and in pubs? In competitive games this is often a good time for the supports to catch up on levels and gold. While the mid ganker starts ganking, a support can hold mid if the opponent tries to push. There is the danger of getting solo-killed, but that's mostly avoided by not being stupid. | ||
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scorch-
United States816 Posts
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kethers
United States719 Posts
On April 20 2012 06:16 Tryhat wrote: Soul ring is precious on DK. Bottle will lose its touch the moment you stop bottlecrowing, but having a Soul Ring gives you constant reg plus always enough mana to cast any one of your spells. And this is coming from someone who hates soul ring as an item, I don't even get it on Atropos or Broodmother. But on DK it's perrrrfect. Anyway, I have a question regarding that mid situation. Say you're laning in mid against a SF, DK, Lesh, BM (any of them) or something like that. You're NS, Tiny, Atro, Pudge, or any other ganker that wants to get the move on before or around level 6. So, you want to go gank, but the moment you do the opponent will rape (or at least do dirty things to) your tower. How do you deal with this situation, in competitive matches and in pubs? If you playing against a decently skilled team, it's just something you have to deal with. Your presence in another area of the maps will always leave a weakness where you moved from. We see this all the time in professional games. If the other team is ganking or just used TP scroll, the opponents will sometimes opt to trade towers. The best you can do is to grab the rune, gank effectively and swiftly, and return to your lane. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Rybka
United States836 Posts
On April 20 2012 06:16 Tryhat wrote: Soul ring is precious on DK. Bottle will lose its touch the moment you stop bottlecrowing, but having a Soul Ring gives you constant reg plus always enough mana to cast any one of your spells. And this is coming from someone who hates soul ring as an item, I don't even get it on Atropos or Broodmother. But on DK it's perrrrfect. Anyway, I have a question regarding that mid situation. Say you're laning in mid against a SF, DK, Lesh, BM (any of them) or something like that. You're NS, Tiny, Atro, Pudge, or any other ganker that wants to get the move on before or around level 6. So, you want to go gank, but the moment you do the opponent will rape (or at least do dirty things to) your tower. How do you deal with this situation, in competitive matches and in pubs? Tough call. I think in these situations you need to intentionally push mid before you leave to gank. This buys a little time for your tower. Then you need to have a TP ready to go back as soon as you get the kill. You can't waste any time, you can't hang out in the sidelane and help push, and if you fail on the gank you need to beam back immediately. Alternatively, you might swap lanes with a carry once you hit 6 or so. There's really no good that can come from leaving SF/DK/Lesh/BM unchecked at mid for any period of time. | ||
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scorch-
United States816 Posts
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Nevuk
United States16280 Posts
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frucisky
Singapore2170 Posts
I find fatal bonds very situational as usually creeps end up being casted on. thoughts? | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
here's the latest http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzgxODU4NzYw.html edit: nvm its dotacinema On April 20 2012 09:05 frucisky wrote: been playing Warlock more lately. wrt his skill builds shadow word early is more or less must for baby sitting. I've always gone fatal bonds before upheaval. but lately I feel that upheaval early seems to do so much more combo with his ult. once e battle turns into our favor no way anybody can escape, except blink heroes. I find fatal bonds very situational as usually creeps end up being casted on. thoughts? fatal bonds is ridiculous, especially in lane it's okay if it bonds to creeps because they tend to die really fast every melee creep is ~100 pure damage, every range creep is ~60 pure damage if you just spam it you can force a lot of heroes out of lane | ||
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fishbowl
United States1575 Posts
On April 20 2012 09:05 Dead9 wrote: woah there's a wodota 2 here's the latest http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzgxODU4NzYw.html That's not WoDotA, that's just Dotacinema's Dota 2 weekly... which you can clearly see in the video intro. | ||
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ScruffyJanitor
Australia108 Posts
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
On April 20 2012 09:13 fishbowl wrote: That's not WoDotA, that's just Dotacinema's Dota 2 weekly... which you can clearly see in the video intro. oh whoops lol i skipped the intro | ||
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frucisky
Singapore2170 Posts
thing about fatal bonds is its mana cost prohibits it from being spammable. having mana for ult and shadow word seems more important. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
have you not seen the warlock triple kill thanks to roshan? | ||
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Dead9
United States4725 Posts
On April 20 2012 09:20 frucisky wrote: thing is fatal bonds only does that much damage level 3 or 4 which is at level 7 plus. at this point the first tf happens and there's a lot of ganking. upheaval just seems better thing about fatal bonds is its mana cost prohibits it from being spammable. having mana for ult and shadow word seems more important. uh it does the same amount of damage at all levels, and the mana cost doesn't increase either warlock doesn't have too many mana problems anyway, his mana pool is huge shadow word is his worst spell out of lane, teams have even been experimenting with skipping word completely and leveling upheaval+bonds recently | ||
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konadora
Singapore66364 Posts
On April 20 2012 09:30 Dead9 wrote: uh it does the same amount of damage at all levels, and the mana cost doesn't increase either warlock doesn't have too many mana problems anyway, his mana pool is huge shadow word is his worst spell out of lane, teams have even been experimenting with skipping word completely and leveling upheaval+bonds recently yeah the recent warlock games have seen getting only one level of shadow word :O | ||
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