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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 18 2013 09:28 TheSubtleArt wrote: It's still possible for supports to double pull, isn't it? Yes, but the XP sharing change on neutrals means that it's impossible for you to keep the enemy from leeching half of your pull XP from those camps. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 18 2013 09:34 TheYango wrote: Yes, but the XP sharing change on neutrals means that it's impossible for you to keep the enemy from leeching half of your pull XP from those camps. So it will only be valid if you can also zone out the other heroes while you are doing it or you just want to get the gold? | ||
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
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Esoterikk
Canada1256 Posts
On October 18 2013 09:41 Plansix wrote: So it will only be valid if you can also zone out the other heroes while you are doing it or you just want to get the gold? It's still barely worth it since the timings are so messed and you only get small camp xp/gold unless you chain the pull and then even zoned you aren't going to keep their offlane zoned with the 1300xp buff, this for all intents and purposes removes stacking and pulling as staying in lane/roaming for kills is a better idea | ||
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NB
Netherlands12045 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 18 2013 09:49 Esoterikk wrote: It's still barely worth it since the timings are so messed and you only get small camp xp/gold unless you chain the pull and then even zoned you aren't going to keep their offlane zoned with the 1300xp buff, this for all intents and purposes removes stacking and pulling as staying in lane/roaming for kills is a better idea Well AFK farming is never really that interesting anyways. But I am sure supports of the world will find other ways to get levels. | ||
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Jinxed
United States6450 Posts
On October 18 2013 09:49 Esoterikk wrote: It's still barely worth it since the timings are so messed and you only get small camp xp/gold unless you chain the pull and then even zoned you aren't going to keep their offlane zoned with the 1300xp buff, this for all intents and purposes removes stacking and pulling as staying in lane/roaming for kills is a better idea Neutrals killing your creeps still gives no XP to the enemy. And a stacked small camp clears the wave about the same as a stacked medium (creep spawns pending ofc). You can pull, you just have to be smarter about it. Roaming will still be better, but you can definitely win a lane with good pulls and lane management. Also for someone. Try pushing the second creep wave after spawn, stack the camp, and then pull the 1:15 camp. With how far out the creeps spawn now there is no chance for the offlane to move to get the xp from that wave. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
At first I wasnt very happy with this patch at all but I think im starting to come to terms with it. | ||
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Esoterikk
Canada1256 Posts
On October 18 2013 10:16 PassiveAce wrote: early smoke ganks from supports are going to be as strong as ever. with tranquils, supports will actually have the relative speed they need to make shit happen. keeping the armor through breaking is a fantastic bonus too. Looking forward to playing some maiden this patch. At first I wasnt very happy with this patch at all but I think im starting to come to terms with it. Keep in mind all other boots are slower now too making smoke even stronger. | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
Edit: and as Bulba said on the ET thread, it's quite big that the astral one-shot ranged creeps, and he wont do so anymore. | ||
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Belisarius
Australia6233 Posts
On October 18 2013 08:05 Plansix wrote: They threatened to move his cheese and force him to learn new things. Then he inferred that change = pub dota. If you can put your seething condescension aside for a moment, you might like to think of the differences between the top level of play and the kind of thing that 85+% of the playerbase encounters every day. At the moment, there is a huge range of MMR where effective trilanes are rare, 2/1/2 is common, a lot of supports either can't or don't bother to pull, most carries can't static a lane, and wards are bought intermittently and placed haphazardly. The key is that if your team is dumb, you do 2/1/2 because it's easier. If, however, you get a team able to communicate and able to control a lane, you can move away from that and try other things. Stuff like defensive trilanes are currently a joy on the rare occasions that they work in a pub. Now, 2/1/2 is probably strong all the way to the top, and controlling a lane is so much harder that it's probably not worth doing. That's new to the pro scene, but the gameplay it produces is seriously old news to us. You know what's been doing 2/1/2 forever? Low level pub dota. You know what games have been dominated by ganks and roaming and snowballing? Low-level pub dota. And it's really kinda boring. Change != pub dota, but that stuff really is, and it's all gotten much, much stronger since 6.77. Are there new things to learn? Of course. Will they be entertaining at the pro level? Absolutely. But those new things will largely revolve around roaming and killing things, and the point is that lower level games already had plenty of that. If I'm wrong, that's fine. But I don't see how massive nerfs to pulling coupled to things like the 6.78 ward change can lead to anything else. | ||
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icystorage
Jollibee19350 Posts
VROOM VROOM! | ||
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dartoo
India2889 Posts
I doubted of these patch notes were real..I dont really like a lot of changes, but yeah whatever, will play the game and see how it goes. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On October 18 2013 11:08 Belisarius wrote: If you can put your seething condescension aside for a moment, you might like to think of the differences between the top level of play and the kind of thing that 85+% of the playerbase encounters every day. At the moment, there is a huge range of MMR where effective trilanes are rare, 2/1/2 is common, a lot of supports either can't or don't bother to pull, most carries can't static a lane, and wards are bought intermittently and placed haphazardly. The key is that if your team is dumb, you do 2/1/2 because it's easier. If, however, you get a team able to communicate and able to control a lane, you can move away from that and try other things. Stuff like defensive trilanes are currently a joy on the rare occasions that they work in a pub. Now, 2/1/2 is probably strong all the way to the top, and controlling a lane is so much harder that it's probably not worth doing. That's new to the pro scene, but the gameplay it produces is seriously old news to us. You know what's been doing 2/1/2 forever? Low level pub dota. You know what games have been dominated by ganks and roaming and snowballing? Low-level pub dota. And it's really kinda boring. Change != pub dota, but that stuff really is, and it's all gotten much, much stronger since 6.77. Are there new things to learn? Of course. Will they be entertaining at the pro level? Absolutely. But those new things will largely revolve around roaming and killing things, and the point is that lower level games already had plenty of that. If I'm wrong, that's fine. But I don't see how massive nerfs to pulling coupled to things like the 6.78 ward change can lead to anything else. I'm with Yango on this one, I don't know how you got all that from the patch notes. We might need to see some professional games before making sweeping atatments like this. | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + 6.79 is this year's Diretide  | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
If tomorrow then good luck MLG. But updates tend to not come out on Friday. | ||
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Mithhaike
Singapore2759 Posts
The world has changed as we know it. (dota) | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
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