EPTAnd some changes like Slark's ulti cannot be detected is purely a big pile of shit throw into the face of those fragile supports.
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
And some changes like Slark's ulti cannot be detected is purely a big pile of shit throw into the face of those fragile supports. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 18 2013 07:09 Belisarius wrote: I think the real problem I have with it is that it really screws over the people who've actually put in the work to learn the minutiae of the jungle and lane mechanics. There's a really big window of MMR where people are learning these things, and someone who's put in the effort to know how to manipulate the jungle and static a lane gets a big advantage from having done so. I really liked that, and I feel like that kind of burden-of-knowledge is a big part of dota. I think, if I'm honest, it feels like IceFrog is trying to make pro dota more like pub dota. That's nice, but by making dota as a whole more pubby he's pushing pub dota further and further towards its worst aspects. We get more and stronger riki/BH/huskar pickers, more feeding-into-10min-godlike, more terrifying ganking mids, all of that junk. The obs change did the same thing, because it made it much easier for snowball mids to gank when they were already the scariest thing in a pub game. It makes me sad. I don't get how you drew any of your conclusions from these patch notes lol. | ||
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Sn0_Man
Tebellong44238 Posts
On October 18 2013 07:12 Shaella wrote: ? Supports don't have to sit in the jungle and masturbate anymore. Their roaming is so much fucking better I too look forward to being level 2 at 10 minutes | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
and broodmother is back bitches | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
Everything is new and different and frightening. Therefore it must be bad and bring the undoing of the civilized world etc. etc. | ||
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RoyGBiv_13
United States1275 Posts
On October 18 2013 07:18 Sn0_Man wrote: I too look forward to being level 2 at 10 minutes Or, god forbid, sit in the lane and leech xp. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 18 2013 07:18 Sn0_Man wrote: I too look forward to being level 2 at 10 minutes It means the optimal play will be for supports to get lane experience. Just like when 2-1-2 was the norm and not 3-1-1, and supports usually did not have the luxury of just being able to pull in 2v2 lanes without the laner getting fucked. | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
On October 18 2013 07:22 TheYango wrote: It means the optimal play will be for supports to get lane experience. Just like when 2-1-2 was the norm and not 3-1-1, and supports usually did not have the luxury of just being able to pull in 2v2 lanes without the laner getting fucked. what no yango not being able to jack off in the jungle means support is now dead haven't you been reading the thread i just think we'll see a lot more roaming. Expect a shit ton of crystal maiden and es. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
On October 18 2013 07:24 Erasme wrote: or the best roaming combo, sd/lesh SD/lina too SD comeback time? | ||
TheEmulator
28103 Posts
On October 18 2013 06:49 aintz wrote: what isp are you using? why does the prairies have better internet than the capital of canada!!! i wish i get 200 on sea server id play there everyday in hopes of meeting mushi. I'm on the Shaw broadband 250. Internet using family so parents are baller enough to purchase that, lol  | ||
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Gevna
France2332 Posts
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
Alliance has shown everyone for months that in many scenarios the optimal play for the supports is to farm out the early game. Icefrog simply doesn't like this being the optimal play as often as it is (and it's easy to understand why) so he put more pressure on the supports to be in lane and/or roaming. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14081 Posts
On October 18 2013 07:27 Gevna wrote: With the new pulling camp, does that mean pulling won't be a part of the game anymore ? I don't see how you can double pull given how fast the easy camp will die. If so, I'm sad that such part of the game disappears. Chainpulls are still as easy as before. Assuming you don't get disturbed. Or someone steals half your xp. | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
On October 18 2013 07:28 TheYango wrote: Honestly the motivation for the change to pulling is quite clear. Alliance has shown everyone for months that in many scenarios the optimal play for the supports is to farm out the early game. Icefrog simply doesn't like this being the optimal play as often as it is (and it's easy to understand why) so he put more pressure on the supports to be in lane and/or roaming. and i think he's probably also bored of the optimal offlaner play being retreating to the jungle | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On October 18 2013 07:27 Gevna wrote: With the new pulling camp, does that mean pulling won't be a part of the game anymore ? I don't see how you can double pull given how fast the easy camp will die. If so, I'm sad that such part of the game disappears. You can still chain-pull. The easy camp still dies slow enough to chain pull, it just means you have to exercise enough lane control for the chain-pull to not be disrupted, which means the support has to put a lot more early effort into totally denying an off-laner if they want the ability to pull safely 2-3 minutes later. Alternatively, it means that 2-1-2 laning will become viable again, and in order to pull you have to secure lane dominance first, rather than immediately being able to exercise safe lane vs. off lane advantage from level 1. | ||
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TheEmulator
28103 Posts
On October 18 2013 07:28 TheYango wrote: Honestly the motivation for the change to pulling is quite clear. Alliance has shown everyone for months that in many scenarios the optimal play for the supports is to farm out the early game. Icefrog simply doesn't like this being the optimal play as often as it is (and it's easy to understand why) so he put more pressure on the supports to be in lane and/or roaming. Well at least in solo pubs this will be good. I would rather have my supports out roaming or at least helping me lane against strong offlaners instead of them single pulling and screwing up my lane | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
On October 18 2013 07:30 TheEmulator wrote: Well at least in solo pubs this will be good. I would rather have my supports out roaming or at least helping me lane against strong offlaners instead of them single pulling and screwing up my lane don't worry they'll still single pull and screw up your lane | ||
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TheEmulator
28103 Posts
On October 18 2013 07:30 Shaella wrote: don't worry they'll still single pull and screw up your lane Yeah I guess. Supports screw up my lane without pulling too. For example trying to zone the offlaner but pulling creep aggro on themselves, or accidentally auto-attacking creeps, etc. So either way you will see some QQ thread posts from me in the future | ||
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Gevna
France2332 Posts
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