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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
October 18 2013 04:28 GMT
#82961


so... i guess you'd really need that mkb huh
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Ryrmidon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada371 Posts
October 18 2013 04:32 GMT
#82962
More default gold income, less jungle exp, and some pretty over the top abilities (Bloodseeker moving at lightning speed, Slark ulti being immune to true sight, Skywrath 0 CD ulti with Agha, Brood moving through terrain anywhere, etc).

I really hope valve doesnt take dota in a direction where the game's balanced by giving all heroes stupidly strong, over the top abilities, and elements of split push, map control, vision and farming space replaced by non stop fighting.

I feel like more toned down heroes help differentiate players and actually make the game more interesting as a spectator.

Don't get me wrong, I've loved Dota so far and I think Icefrog and company have done an amazing job so far, but this patch feels like a step in the wrong direction. A hero with 1k movement speed doesn't really belong in the game imo.
"He can't beat me in a real game" IdrA
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
October 18 2013 04:34 GMT
#82963
icefrog was actually hired by riot games and is secretly destroying dota 2 from the inside out
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ReignSupreme.
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Australia4123 Posts
October 18 2013 04:42 GMT
#82964
So I won't really discuss the new "patch" here as that's not really what this thread is about, but for awhile now (pre-SL LAN) na'vi were experimenting a fair bit with 2-1-2 lanes, do you guys see that as evidence to this patch coming or just coincidence?
tpmraven
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States833 Posts
October 18 2013 04:51 GMT
#82965
Has this been brought up yet?

april fools is the first tag on the bottom of the screen for the new patch.
(⌐■_■) Like a boss
Esoterikk
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1256 Posts
October 18 2013 04:52 GMT
#82966
On October 18 2013 13:51 tpmraven wrote:
Has this been brought up yet?

april fools is the first tag on the bottom of the screen for the new patch.


Wait seriously?
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-18 04:54:28
October 18 2013 04:52 GMT
#82967
On October 18 2013 13:51 tpmraven wrote:
Has this been brought up yet?

april fools is the first tag on the bottom of the screen for the new patch.

It isnt april fools.
So people dont really think its an april fools joke.
Its all live on the test client lol
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-18 04:55:37
October 18 2013 04:55 GMT
#82968
Can someone explain what this change means
*Evasion now stacks diminishingly
EZ4ENCE
Darkren
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1841 Posts
October 18 2013 04:59 GMT
#82969
On October 18 2013 13:55 WindWolf wrote:
Can someone explain what this change means
*Evasion now stacks diminishingly


Well the first post on this page preaty much answers your questions, u should reasearch a bit before asking question

To be more precise before evasion never stacked, now it stacks but get less evasion from the item if u have multiple evasion sources
"Yeah, I send (hopefully) helpful PM's quite frequently. You don't have to warn/ban everything" - KadaverBB
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
October 18 2013 05:32 GMT
#82970
Which heroes are Vanguard good with right now? Maybe the 10% extra block chance next patch would make it a bit better?
Esoterikk
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1256 Posts
October 18 2013 05:39 GMT
#82971
On October 18 2013 14:32 trinxified wrote:
Which heroes are Vanguard good with right now? Maybe the 10% extra block chance next patch would make it a bit better?


Vanguard is just a terrible item in general.
KlaCkoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1661 Posts
October 18 2013 05:55 GMT
#82972
Does anyone else think the tranqs change totally killed PL? I simply can't seem to theory craft a working build for him now. Before tranguils were in the game vanguard was less shitty and drums did not exist but as of today treads + vanguard is just so much worse than tranqs + drums that I dont see how he could possibly be playable anymore. This makes me sad
Spectre is fine without tranqs, her being in every won skirmish makes urn great. However since defensive trilaning is nerfed to hell and back I dont think she is playable anymore either.
LD is fine, phase boots and no extra sustain was totally fine before tranguils existed and will be again albeit slightly less optimal. We get a cheaper hyperstone and even better radiance to make up for it.
"Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders ... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
October 18 2013 06:10 GMT
#82973
On October 18 2013 14:55 KlaCkoN wrote:
Does anyone else think the tranqs change totally killed PL? I simply can't seem to theory craft a working build for him now. Before tranguils were in the game vanguard was less shitty and drums did not exist but as of today treads + vanguard is just so much worse than tranqs + drums that I dont see how he could possibly be playable anymore. This makes me sad
Spectre is fine without tranqs, her being in every won skirmish makes urn great. However since defensive trilaning is nerfed to hell and back I dont think she is playable anymore either.
LD is fine, phase boots and no extra sustain was totally fine before tranguils existed and will be again albeit slightly less optimal. We get a cheaper hyperstone and even better radiance to make up for it.

? Just build treads and fucking be a man.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-18 06:21:06
October 18 2013 06:16 GMT
#82974
some of the guys that's been around long enough remember the era of vanguard?

anyways i don't really have an opinion on the patch even though it's going to change the game rather drastically and the implications of some of these changes will make it one of the biggest balance patch n the game's history. i have several negative impressions based on several of these changes but in icefrog we trust.

and seriously try to have faith in the icefrog. he does more things right for the game than he does wrong.
KlaCkoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1661 Posts
October 18 2013 06:21 GMT
#82975
On October 18 2013 15:10 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2013 14:55 KlaCkoN wrote:
Does anyone else think the tranqs change totally killed PL? I simply can't seem to theory craft a working build for him now. Before tranguils were in the game vanguard was less shitty and drums did not exist but as of today treads + vanguard is just so much worse than tranqs + drums that I dont see how he could possibly be playable anymore. This makes me sad
Spectre is fine without tranqs, her being in every won skirmish makes urn great. However since defensive trilaning is nerfed to hell and back I dont think she is playable anymore either.
LD is fine, phase boots and no extra sustain was totally fine before tranguils existed and will be again albeit slightly less optimal. We get a cheaper hyperstone and even better radiance to make up for it.

? Just build treads and fucking be a man.

I just dont see how to make do without some sort of sustain. Especially in a highly contested 2v2 lane, but also further on in the midgame, unless you want to tp to every single team fight at two thirds HP. And without tranqs your options for sustain are, casual RoH, vanguard or hood. All are bullshit choices, vanguard slightly less so than the others but it's still bullshit.
"Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders ... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
Kuroeeah
Profile Blog Joined February 2013
11696 Posts
October 18 2013 06:25 GMT
#82976
just play him like you always can and stick with tranq boots on PL along with an aquila. i don't remotely understand why you think pl needs treads to be successful.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
October 18 2013 06:25 GMT
#82977
Tranqs are kinda meh on carries now since they break every time you get a last hit.
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KlaCkoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1661 Posts
October 18 2013 06:28 GMT
#82978
New patch kind of killed tranquils for carries... unless I am massively missing something.
"Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders ... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-18 06:29:02
October 18 2013 06:28 GMT
#82979
On October 18 2013 15:21 KlaCkoN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2013 15:10 Shaella wrote:
On October 18 2013 14:55 KlaCkoN wrote:
Does anyone else think the tranqs change totally killed PL? I simply can't seem to theory craft a working build for him now. Before tranguils were in the game vanguard was less shitty and drums did not exist but as of today treads + vanguard is just so much worse than tranqs + drums that I dont see how he could possibly be playable anymore. This makes me sad
Spectre is fine without tranqs, her being in every won skirmish makes urn great. However since defensive trilaning is nerfed to hell and back I dont think she is playable anymore either.
LD is fine, phase boots and no extra sustain was totally fine before tranguils existed and will be again albeit slightly less optimal. We get a cheaper hyperstone and even better radiance to make up for it.

? Just build treads and fucking be a man.

I just dont see how to make do without some sort of sustain. Especially in a highly contested 2v2 lane, but also further on in the midgame, unless you want to tp to every single team fight at two thirds HP. And without tranqs your options for sustain are, casual RoH, vanguard or hood. All are bullshit choices, vanguard slightly less so than the others but it's still bullshit.

?
Tank with illu

On October 18 2013 15:28 KlaCkoN wrote:
New patch kind of killed tranquils for carries... unless I am massively missing something.


thats the point
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
October 18 2013 06:30 GMT
#82980
True enough. On the other hand they keep most of the MS and the armor. That sweet, sweet armor. So for, say, Lone Druid, they'll be the bee's nuts and the mutt's knees.
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