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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On October 18 2013 15:28 Shaella wrote: ? Tank with illu thats the point illusions are weak unless you have some dec ehp items on pl (getting to level 11 helps tho because of the illusion rate). still i dont see this change destroying pl lol | ||
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Bearded Elder29905 Posts
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
On October 18 2013 15:30 LuckoftheIrish wrote: True enough. On the other hand they keep most of the MS and the armor. That sweet, sweet armor. So for, say, Lone Druid, they'll be the bee's nuts and the mutt's knees. Would you actually get them on LD? In order to make use of the heal effect your main bear needs to not hit a creep for like 1 minute. I honestly think that would slow down farming enough that just ferrying in a salve would be cheaper. The armour and ms are good enough to consider even without the heal but I still think I'll get phases instead. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
roshan timing will force teams to be a lot more proactive with checking the pit a lot more. not sure if i like it. the way lane setups are going to work out is the biggest question here though (return of dual lane, expanded pool of off laners etc). | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
On October 18 2013 15:31 Kuroeeah wrote: illusions are weak unless you have some dec ehp items on pl (getting to level 11 helps tho because of the illusion rate). still i dont see this change destroying pl lol they tank 3/4 hits each. With the AS from treads you can usually gen enough to be solid, and you can use treadswapping to pump out some sweet sweet xtra lances | ||
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KezseN
Singapore1450 Posts
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On October 18 2013 15:36 Shaella wrote: they tank 3/4 hits each. With the AS from treads you can usually gen enough to be solid, and you can use treadswapping to pump out some sweet sweet xtra lances this is going to spawn into that "PL needs tranquil to be viable" debate again... i'm on your side though i like treads a lot more and never really found myself in a problem where I die without tranquils sustain. | ||
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KlaCkoN
Sweden1661 Posts
On October 18 2013 15:36 Shaella wrote: they tank 3/4 hits each. With the AS from treads you can usually gen enough to be solid, and you can use treadswapping to pump out some sweet sweet xtra lances Yeah sure, if you are careful you will be able to do complete afk farming while remaining at full hp. Laning is still a bitch, a dodged gank or an enemy hero showing up at all means you will still tp to the next major fight at two thirds hp. I dont know it might be doable and I will have to test it but I dont think it will work out smoothly. | ||
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Esoterikk
Canada1256 Posts
On October 18 2013 15:30 LuckoftheIrish wrote: True enough. On the other hand they keep most of the MS and the armor. That sweet, sweet armor. So for, say, Lone Druid, they'll be the bee's nuts and the mutt's knees. They deactivate for 13 seconds everytime you attack, these will only be used on roaming supports, they will literally never work for an auto attacker. Unless they only deactivate when you attack heroes and not creeps. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
You know back in 2011 I despised AM pickers (the hero pool then and several other factors made him annoying to deal with). PL + KOTL pickers when he was popular in the meta gave me a whole new meaning to the word hatred. | ||
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Mataza
Germany5364 Posts
On October 18 2013 13:32 Ryrmidon wrote: More default gold income, less jungle exp, and some pretty over the top abilities (Bloodseeker moving at lightning speed, Slark ulti being immune to true sight, Skywrath 0 CD ulti with Agha, Brood moving through terrain anywhere, etc). I really hope valve doesnt take dota in a direction where the game's balanced by giving all heroes stupidly strong, over the top abilities, and elements of split push, map control, vision and farming space replaced by non stop fighting. I feel like more toned down heroes help differentiate players and actually make the game more interesting as a spectator. Don't get me wrong, I've loved Dota so far and I think Icefrog and company have done an amazing job so far, but this patch feels like a step in the wrong direction. A hero with 1k movement speed doesn't really belong in the game imo. Toned down? Dota never was toned down. The high skill methodical play you so love will still exist. Just expect it to be more in the direction of NaVi teamfight and gank execution than stalling and farming Alliance. It will be so rewarding to see one team camping at rosh, waiting for respawn while the other is just going around pushing towers. To guarantee Roshan you now sacrifice up to 3 minutes of map control. Which sounds like a bad trade, so hopefully people will be having less cold wars around Roshan. Also the era of Necronomicons. Slight duration buff, 2 of the main counters removed(HotD and Midas). It's much easier to make predictions about items. New Linken's Sphere is a support item. Who can say 5x spell shield? But who else thinks Night Stalker might be competitive material again? Ulti reduces sight by 25%, night starts at 4:00, which is before anyone is lvl 6, usually. Also the short night makes his ultimate more important to get asap. Agha Nightstalker new meta. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On October 18 2013 15:35 KlaCkoN wrote: Would you actually get them on LD? In order to make use of the heal effect your main bear needs to not hit a creep for like 1 minute. I honestly think that would slow down farming enough that just ferrying in a salve would be cheaper. The armour and ms are good enough to consider even without the heal but I still think I'll get phases instead. Absolutely. Phase on the bear, Tranquils on the hero. Having the 4 extra armor in teamfights will be pretty nice, especially since you don't have to pay extra for it, and you'll have extra movespeed to boot. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On October 18 2013 15:43 Esoterikk wrote: They deactivate for 13 seconds everytime you attack, these will only be used on roaming supports, they will literally never work for an auto attacker. Unless they only deactivate when you attack heroes and not creeps. Or in the case of Lone Druid, who can use his bear to attack things for him, and when they get deactivated in a teamfight he'll have more movespeed and more armor than he does now. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On October 18 2013 15:16 Kuroeeah wrote: some of the guys that's been around long enough remember the era of vanguard? anyways i don't really have an opinion on the patch even though it's going to change the game rather drastically and the implications of some of these changes will make it one of the biggest balance patch n the game's history. i have several negative impressions based on several of these changes but in icefrog we trust. and seriously try to have faith in the icefrog. he does more things right for the game than he does wrong. im fine with most of the changes, 6.75/6.76 were worse changelogs imo (alch, batrider, centaur, magnataur, drow ranger, gyrocopter, PL, abbadon, naix, nyx, sven...) . the only thing i really dislike about dota right now are certain heroes like huskar and OD that are annoying to the vast majority of the hero pool and the stupid offlane situation (which the current patch tries to deal with) | ||
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CuddlyCuteKitten
Sweden2891 Posts
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Staboteur
Canada1873 Posts
Speaking of aghas ult.. Oh god, black hole. 56% of max hp, plus 280-560 damage for a full duration aghas + midnight pulse black hole? Goddamn... I'm assuming the tether range of the small camp will be changed for radiant's small camp, when it switches places with the pull camp. As it is now I'm not even sure if it'd be possible to pull the small camp from that position close enough to pull the wave. It'll take some new learning, but I like it. | ||
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Bswhunter
Australia954 Posts
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KezseN
Singapore1450 Posts
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On October 18 2013 11:14 icystorage wrote: VROOM VROOM! Can't stop laughing. X-D Looking forward to trying the new Bloodseeker actually. I always liked him as a hero but rarely picked. | ||
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