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On October 02 2013 00:34 Sn0_Man wrote:
Well, its obvious that MLG are committing to dota big-time here. And its pretty clear by now that MLG is a business that sticks to whatever is profitable. And its obvious that this move into dota isn't because of any financial incentives valve is offering them (unlike many games before).
Which means that this is kinda the first serious 3rd party vindication of valve's ticket system. AFAIK all the other tournaments kinda boiled down to "lets run a dota tournament" -> make it happen. They were all "partisan" organizations that chose dota 2 because its "their game". MLG chose it because its profitable. Thats progress (to me).
PS: re EE bm pauses who cares. Re: If loda did it blah blah blah no lol you guys are clueless. Nobody would even post if loda did it.
Sundance made a post on Reddit couple months ago about a deal they were making with Valve to get Dota2 going. So it's known that there is financial incentives behind it . Either the deal is:
1) Valve pays for the price pool or part of it.
2) Valve gives MLG a bigger share of ticket sales of all events hosted by MLG in a fixed period, maybe 80,90% ticket sell
3) cant think of one right now.
Thinking MLG not having any financial incentives is much more unreasonable than other way.
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LOL, the way people were talking I thought he did it in a real match, it was a pub game, lets get serious here. 1 in 5 of my pub games has someone pause spamming.
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Why are you guys saying EE's playstyle is suited for ixdl? Have you guys even played a game there? There's a reason he prefers pubs over that league.
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On October 02 2013 03:13 FuzzyJAM wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 03:06 Acritter wrote:On October 02 2013 03:04 Vod.kaholic wrote:
It was a really slick way to force a random pub to participate in a "top play" kind of play. It's fine. Granted this shouldn't happen in pro games where we're expecting them to compete using their natural coordination and reaction time without crutching on pauses, but it was really cool to see the coordination he got out of a pub. ...And the other 99 times out of a hundred he pisses off at least one person on his team with his constant demands and selfish play. In a pub. IXDL is practically made for the stuff he's trying to do. If he wants to play Storm every game, then all he needs to do is get a CM game and then ixmike88 it up. He pissed off everyone on his team that game too. Funnily enough, it was because he wasn't playing how they wanted him to. How is communicating your strategy and trying to co-ordinate a pub somehow automatically bad? If you don't like it, fine. . .use mute so you don't have anyone saying "Buy me a TP" or w/e other terrible thing they're doing. You can't say "OMG people can play how they like, stop pissing people off!!" without also allowing EE's playstyle.
EE does shit like using the crow constantly throughout the entire early game while deliberately avoiding having any impact on the game after picking a high-impact hero. That's something akin to stealing last hits with a support: playing in such a way that negatively impacts your team. And then, on top of that, he makes tons of demands, so he ends up being a burden on the team a significant portion of the time.
The reason he tends to WIN is because he's tanked his MMR with his shitty Storm build enough that the people he plays against are bad enough that he can get away with poor strategy.
On October 02 2013 03:20 Daozzt wrote:
Why are you guys saying EE's playstyle is suited for ixdl? Have you guys even played a game there? There's a reason he prefers pubs over that league.
Inhouses are perfect for tryhards.
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On October 02 2013 03:21 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 03:13 FuzzyJAM wrote:On October 02 2013 03:06 Acritter wrote:On October 02 2013 03:04 Vod.kaholic wrote:
It was a really slick way to force a random pub to participate in a "top play" kind of play. It's fine. Granted this shouldn't happen in pro games where we're expecting them to compete using their natural coordination and reaction time without crutching on pauses, but it was really cool to see the coordination he got out of a pub. ...And the other 99 times out of a hundred he pisses off at least one person on his team with his constant demands and selfish play. In a pub. IXDL is practically made for the stuff he's trying to do. If he wants to play Storm every game, then all he needs to do is get a CM game and then ixmike88 it up. He pissed off everyone on his team that game too. Funnily enough, it was because he wasn't playing how they wanted him to. How is communicating your strategy and trying to co-ordinate a pub somehow automatically bad? If you don't like it, fine. . .use mute so you don't have anyone saying "Buy me a TP" or w/e other terrible thing they're doing. You can't say "OMG people can play how they like, stop pissing people off!!" without also allowing EE's playstyle. EE does shit like using the crow constantly throughout the entire early game while deliberately avoiding having any impact on the game after picking a high-impact hero. That's something akin to stealing last hits with a support: playing in such a way that negatively impacts your team. And then, on top of that, he makes tons of demands, so he ends up being a burden on the team a significant portion of the time. The reason he tends to WIN is because he's tanked his MMR with his shitty Storm build enough that the people he plays against are bad enough that he can get away with poor strategy.
Soul Ring Tranquil any hero every hero.
You ain't about dis lyfe.
/s
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On October 02 2013 03:17 canikizu wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 00:34 Sn0_Man wrote:
Well, its obvious that MLG are committing to dota big-time here. And its pretty clear by now that MLG is a business that sticks to whatever is profitable. And its obvious that this move into dota isn't because of any financial incentives valve is offering them (unlike many games before).
Which means that this is kinda the first serious 3rd party vindication of valve's ticket system. AFAIK all the other tournaments kinda boiled down to "lets run a dota tournament" -> make it happen. They were all "partisan" organizations that chose dota 2 because its "their game". MLG chose it because its profitable. Thats progress (to me).
PS: re EE bm pauses who cares. Re: If loda did it blah blah blah no lol you guys are clueless. Nobody would even post if loda did it. Sundance made a post on Reddit couple months ago about a deal they were making with Valve to get Dota2 going. So it's known that there is financial incentives behind it . Either the deal is: 1) Valve pays for the price pool or part of it. 2) Valve gives MLG a bigger share of ticket sales of all events hosted by MLG in a fixed period, maybe 80,90% ticket sell 3) cant think of one right now. Thinking MLG not having any financial incentives is much more unreasonable than other way.
You clearly missed Slasher's interview with Eric Johnson @TI3 where Eric basically said "we don't see subsidizing the scene as a healthy model for growth and the future". There's no way there is any kind of special deal here. Eric also stated that they were actively working with organizers to help them provide value to consumers and to help them basically make money off of providing that value.
Considering MLG's Gamebattles/Play system, and how it is gonna be integrated into their upcoming "seasons" leading up to Anaheim, and considering that valve Tournament information page that was being linked not so long ago, I'm guessing MLG and Valve were working out agreements regarding making players pay to participate in Dota 2 Tournaments (something that is by and large new to Dota 2). There may even be some kind of sweet client integration but I doubt that part.
TL;DR: MLG and Valve were merely working out the licensing and legal issues involved in running a pay-to-enter public online league.
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On October 02 2013 03:21 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 03:13 FuzzyJAM wrote:On October 02 2013 03:06 Acritter wrote:On October 02 2013 03:04 Vod.kaholic wrote:
It was a really slick way to force a random pub to participate in a "top play" kind of play. It's fine. Granted this shouldn't happen in pro games where we're expecting them to compete using their natural coordination and reaction time without crutching on pauses, but it was really cool to see the coordination he got out of a pub. ...And the other 99 times out of a hundred he pisses off at least one person on his team with his constant demands and selfish play. In a pub. IXDL is practically made for the stuff he's trying to do. If he wants to play Storm every game, then all he needs to do is get a CM game and then ixmike88 it up. He pissed off everyone on his team that game too. Funnily enough, it was because he wasn't playing how they wanted him to. How is communicating your strategy and trying to co-ordinate a pub somehow automatically bad? If you don't like it, fine. . .use mute so you don't have anyone saying "Buy me a TP" or w/e other terrible thing they're doing. You can't say "OMG people can play how they like, stop pissing people off!!" without also allowing EE's playstyle. EE does shit like using the crow constantly throughout the entire early game while deliberately avoiding having any impact on the game after picking a high-impact hero. That's something akin to stealing last hits with a support: playing in such a way that negatively impacts your team. And then, on top of that, he makes tons of demands, so he ends up being a burden on the team a significant portion of the time. The reason he tends to WIN is because he's tanked his MMR with his shitty Storm build enough that the people he plays against are bad enough that he can get away with poor strategy. Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 03:20 Daozzt wrote:
Why are you guys saying EE's playstyle is suited for ixdl? Have you guys even played a game there? There's a reason he prefers pubs over that league. Inhouses are perfect for tryhards.
There's like no way you actually believe what you just typed, right?
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Pretty sure one of the main ways EE got big was from being the top ranked player in ixdl (and contested with rtz for it).
Probably doesn't really play there now that he has a legitimate team.
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Never base pro skill on what you see in pubs. Rare is the game someone like EE is actually going to bother REALLY tryharding a pub.
Look at actual matches, not pubs.
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On October 02 2013 03:25 Daozzt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 03:21 Acritter wrote:On October 02 2013 03:13 FuzzyJAM wrote:On October 02 2013 03:06 Acritter wrote:On October 02 2013 03:04 Vod.kaholic wrote:
It was a really slick way to force a random pub to participate in a "top play" kind of play. It's fine. Granted this shouldn't happen in pro games where we're expecting them to compete using their natural coordination and reaction time without crutching on pauses, but it was really cool to see the coordination he got out of a pub. ...And the other 99 times out of a hundred he pisses off at least one person on his team with his constant demands and selfish play. In a pub. IXDL is practically made for the stuff he's trying to do. If he wants to play Storm every game, then all he needs to do is get a CM game and then ixmike88 it up. He pissed off everyone on his team that game too. Funnily enough, it was because he wasn't playing how they wanted him to. How is communicating your strategy and trying to co-ordinate a pub somehow automatically bad? If you don't like it, fine. . .use mute so you don't have anyone saying "Buy me a TP" or w/e other terrible thing they're doing. You can't say "OMG people can play how they like, stop pissing people off!!" without also allowing EE's playstyle. EE does shit like using the crow constantly throughout the entire early game while deliberately avoiding having any impact on the game after picking a high-impact hero. That's something akin to stealing last hits with a support: playing in such a way that negatively impacts your team. And then, on top of that, he makes tons of demands, so he ends up being a burden on the team a significant portion of the time. The reason he tends to WIN is because he's tanked his MMR with his shitty Storm build enough that the people he plays against are bad enough that he can get away with poor strategy. On October 02 2013 03:20 Daozzt wrote:
Why are you guys saying EE's playstyle is suited for ixdl? Have you guys even played a game there? There's a reason he prefers pubs over that league. Inhouses are perfect for tryhards. There's like no way you actually believe what you just typed, right?
Well... check out what comeh says. I think your beliefs are more in question here.
On October 02 2013 03:28 Two_DoWn wrote:
Never base pro skill on what you see in pubs. Rare is the game someone like EE is actually going to bother REALLY tryharding a pub.
Look at actual matches, not pubs.
The issue with his play is that he's tryharding in all the wrong ways. He's tryharding in pretending that he's the team captain and the 1 position of every pub game, while playing shitty builds at the same time. Things like that are incredibly obnoxious, and he definitely deserves all the ire he draws from the people unlucky enough to end up with him in their games.
Disclaimer: sometimes he is in fact the 1 position. A lot of the time he shouldn't be trying to be the 1 position on the hero he's using.
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On October 02 2013 03:24 Sn0_Man wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 03:17 canikizu wrote:On October 02 2013 00:34 Sn0_Man wrote:
Well, its obvious that MLG are committing to dota big-time here. And its pretty clear by now that MLG is a business that sticks to whatever is profitable. And its obvious that this move into dota isn't because of any financial incentives valve is offering them (unlike many games before).
Which means that this is kinda the first serious 3rd party vindication of valve's ticket system. AFAIK all the other tournaments kinda boiled down to "lets run a dota tournament" -> make it happen. They were all "partisan" organizations that chose dota 2 because its "their game". MLG chose it because its profitable. Thats progress (to me).
PS: re EE bm pauses who cares. Re: If loda did it blah blah blah no lol you guys are clueless. Nobody would even post if loda did it. Sundance made a post on Reddit couple months ago about a deal they were making with Valve to get Dota2 going. So it's known that there is financial incentives behind it . Either the deal is: 1) Valve pays for the price pool or part of it. 2) Valve gives MLG a bigger share of ticket sales of all events hosted by MLG in a fixed period, maybe 80,90% ticket sell 3) cant think of one right now. Thinking MLG not having any financial incentives is much more unreasonable than other way. You clearly missed Slasher's interview with Eric Johnson @TI3 where Eric basically said "we don't see subsidizing the scene as a healthy model for growth and the future". There's no way there is any kind of special deal here. Eric also stated that they were actively working with organizers to help them provide value to consumers and to help them basically make money off of providing that value. Considering MLG's Gamebattles/Play system, and how it is gonna be integrated into their upcoming "seasons" leading up to Anaheim, and considering that valve Tournament information page that was being linked not so long ago, I'm guessing MLG and Valve were working out agreements regarding making players pay to participate in Dota 2 Tournaments (something that is by and large new to Dota 2). There may even be some kind of sweet client integration but I doubt that part. TL;DR: MLG and Valve were merely working out the licensing and legal issues involved in running a pay-to-enter public online league.
Your guessing is as good as my guessing, since none is holding.
As a businessman, I don't care crap about announcements, only financial numbers matter. People can say one thing and do other things behind it, that's the good thing about being private owned companies.
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I'm a huge EE fan, but even I can't disagree with what Acritter is saying here.
Pick storm, go mid, hog crow 90% of the game while split pushing and jungling exclusively.
Using Storms ability as a mid to create space for his team? Nah, gotta play him like Antimage.
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On October 02 2013 03:48 ch33psh33p wrote:
I'm a huge EE fan, but even I can't disagree with what Acritter is saying here.
Pick storm, go mid, hog crow 90% of the game while split pushing and jungling exclusively.
Using Storms ability as a mid to create space for his team? Nah, gotta play him like Antimage.
I always have mixed opinions when I queue with him on my team - I know he's going to troll with some random carry and build stupid items, but I usually end up winning.
*shrug*
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On October 02 2013 03:06 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 03:04 Vod.kaholic wrote:
It was a really slick way to force a random pub to participate in a "top play" kind of play. It's fine. Granted this shouldn't happen in pro games where we're expecting them to compete using their natural coordination and reaction time without crutching on pauses, but it was really cool to see the coordination he got out of a pub. ...And the other 99 times out of a hundred he pisses off at least one person on his team with his constant demands and selfish play. In a pub. IXDL is practically made for the stuff he's trying to do. If he wants to play Storm every game, then all he needs to do is get a CM game and then ixmike88 it up.
Lol i remember watching Ixmike's stream a while ago. He'd first / 2nd pick Sand King every single game. When some1 askd him why he's like "fluff told me to learn sand king"
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gosi and comeh sign my tits please
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On October 02 2013 03:49 Comeh wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 03:48 ch33psh33p wrote:
I'm a huge EE fan, but even I can't disagree with what Acritter is saying here.
Pick storm, go mid, hog crow 90% of the game while split pushing and jungling exclusively.
Using Storms ability as a mid to create space for his team? Nah, gotta play him like Antimage. I always have mixed opinions when I queue with him on my team - I know he's going to troll with some random carry and build stupid items, but I usually end up winning. *shrug*
The other day he EE played as AM and didn't do well after the laning phase (he went mid, got bottle, phase boots, PMS against Pudge). He even got pooled so he got the PMS early. Anyway, after he got killed over and over, then he just gave the excuse that he's a roaming support AM.
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Who the fuck has any right to criticize how someone plays in their pub games?
Today your telling EE not to play like a selfish fuck, tomorrow youl be telling me not to get totally trashed, queue up a game, pick tree and forget that living armor can be used on anyone but myself.
WHERE WILL IT END?
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On October 02 2013 04:28 trinxified wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 03:49 Comeh wrote:On October 02 2013 03:48 ch33psh33p wrote:
I'm a huge EE fan, but even I can't disagree with what Acritter is saying here.
Pick storm, go mid, hog crow 90% of the game while split pushing and jungling exclusively.
Using Storms ability as a mid to create space for his team? Nah, gotta play him like Antimage. I always have mixed opinions when I queue with him on my team - I know he's going to troll with some random carry and build stupid items, but I usually end up winning. *shrug* The other day he EE played as AM and didn't do well after the laning phase (he went mid, got bottle, phase boots, PMS against Pudge). He even got pooled so he got the PMS early. Anyway, after he got killed over and over, then he just gave the excuse that he's a roaming support AM.
Didn't he win?
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On October 02 2013 04:32 FuzzyJAM wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2013 04:28 trinxified wrote:On October 02 2013 03:49 Comeh wrote:On October 02 2013 03:48 ch33psh33p wrote:
I'm a huge EE fan, but even I can't disagree with what Acritter is saying here.
Pick storm, go mid, hog crow 90% of the game while split pushing and jungling exclusively.
Using Storms ability as a mid to create space for his team? Nah, gotta play him like Antimage. I always have mixed opinions when I queue with him on my team - I know he's going to troll with some random carry and build stupid items, but I usually end up winning. *shrug* The other day he EE played as AM and didn't do well after the laning phase (he went mid, got bottle, phase boots, PMS against Pudge). He even got pooled so he got the PMS early. Anyway, after he got killed over and over, then he just gave the excuse that he's a roaming support AM. Didn't he win?
can't hear you over the grinding of pitchforks  .
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its a good thing that hes such an accomplished rich professional player with tons of titles that pub games and the players on his team are so below him that he cant play properly with them
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