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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On September 23 2013 02:35 writer22816 wrote: I thought if you queued with friends who had significantly different MMR than yours, the system tries to balance by having each player on your team have a roughly equally skilled opponent? Only problem is, games can quickly snowball into stomps if say you were in one of these lopsided games, had the highest MMR and picked something like hard support while your equivalent on the other team goes mid or carry etc. It sucks but I don't see another way around this unless you just forbid people of vastly different skill levels from forming a party. Anybody know how LoL or HoN tried to address this problem? Yep that's correct. HoN didn't really try to address the problem.. they match the same'ish as dota. However, the MMR is public, so cries of "im blue i go mid, shut up brown go support" were the solution. (MMR was ordered by colour with, e.g. radiant blue being highest on radiant) e: Perhaps it might be viable for valve to show if any players significantly stand out from your team's average MMR. As long as the threshold is high enough to actually make a difference, skill-wise. Of course the social consequences of this have to be considered as well.. it's really tough. | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On September 23 2013 03:09 TheYango wrote: Fundamentally, people queuing with a large spread of skill levels is going to be problematic no matter what you do. Yesterday, I (who had ~45 games at that time) stacked with a friend of mine that was new to the game. Went ok actually, I sucked in that game but that's another disscusion Also: Tommorow is the day. The Portal Pack! | ||
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IAmThEnd
United States111 Posts
edit: nevermind, restarted steam | ||
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On September 23 2013 03:16 IAmThEnd wrote: Can't connect to Dota2 network....anyone else? No problem here, can watch SL without any problem Tobi + Synd casting right now! | ||
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Darkren
Canada1841 Posts
Imagine the GODLIKE one, there's bound to be mythical item in there ps: i don't know if I'm crazy but i could sware in 2 of my games it seemed backdoor protection just did not work, in one game i got a kill on a tower i wasn't suppose to, and the other one the enemy did it to our team. | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13088 Posts
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WindWolf
Sweden11767 Posts
On September 23 2013 04:50 Darkren wrote: Cant wait for DOUBLE KILL patch Imagine the GODLIKE one, there's bound to be mythical item in there Or the RAMPAGE one, where Valve releases so much good stuff that they enough money for a very long one! | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On September 23 2013 04:51 SkelA wrote: Why is reactive armor working when you are doomed ? Because doom doesn't disable reactive armor. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On September 23 2013 04:56 Blitzkrieg0 wrote: Because doom doesn't disable reactive armor. i thought doom was supposed to disable passives as well. | ||
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Blitzkrieg0
United States13132 Posts
On September 23 2013 05:16 Kuroeeah wrote: i thought doom was supposed to disable passives as well. Doom doesn't disable all passives. It disables crit and bash and some other stuff (full list). The UI in dota2 is bad and puts the silence locks on all skills even if they aren't disabled. | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13088 Posts
Well you learn something every day. | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On September 23 2013 03:09 TheYango wrote: Fundamentally, people queuing with a large spread of skill levels is going to be problematic no matter what you do. The problem multiplies when people are taking important pub roles and facing superior opponents. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On September 23 2013 05:43 superstartran wrote: The problem multiplies when people are taking important pub roles and facing superior opponents. The "facing superior opponents" part is pretty much guaranteed when you're stacking with a wide skill spread. If you are the worse player in a dual stack with a player vastly better than you, then if you play a solo it's virtually guaranteed that the player you go against will be a lot better than you. The only time this wouldn't be the case is if the stack similar to yours on the other team has their worst player playing mid as well. Even if we assumed that skill has no relevance to which role you get to play. that would mean you'd get stomped 4 times out of 5. I don't think there's really a good solution to this, TBH. If you get mismatched stacks, the experience is going to suck for someone. The problem is that if you use some internal mechanism to discourage mismatched stacks (disallow or punish stacks that are too far apart on MMR), then you are encouraging the better player to smurf if he wants to play with those worse friends, and smurfing also ruins someones gameplay experience (just not necessarily the same people that as the mismatched stack does). | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
and when it comes to stacking just dont 4 stack and its all good, 4 stacking is just asking for it, i 4 stacked a bunch of games and 90% of the time you get a potato you have to carry. | ||
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superstartran
United States4013 Posts
On September 23 2013 05:58 TheYango wrote: The "facing superior opponents" part is pretty much guaranteed when you're stacking with a wide skill spread. If you are the worse player in a dual stack with a player vastly better than you, then if you play a solo it's virtually guaranteed that the player you go against will be a lot better than you. The only time this wouldn't be the case is if the stack similar to yours on the other team has their worst player playing mid as well. Even if we assumed that skill has no relevance to which role you get to play. that would mean you'd get stomped 4 times out of 5. I don't think there's really a good solution to this, TBH. If you get mismatched stacks, the experience is going to suck for someone. The problem is that if you use some internal mechanism to discourage mismatched stacks (disallow or punish stacks that are too far apart on MMR), then you are encouraging the better player to smurf if he wants to play with those worse friends, and smurfing also ruins someones gameplay experience (just not necessarily the same people that as the mismatched stack does). When you relegate weaker players to not as important roles it makes it much easier and a much more even game. It's when the weaker player calls for a solo role as you said that it gets really out of hand. | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34507 Posts
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
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teapoted
United Kingdom24425 Posts
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