EPTIt also has to do with your teammates usually being pretty poor about leveraging the map pressure that split-pushing creates.
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
It also has to do with your teammates usually being pretty poor about leveraging the map pressure that split-pushing creates. | ||
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
On September 14 2013 06:52 Zealos wrote: I really like Linkins on Storm as a third item if you've built up a load of Bloodstone charges and already have a good 2nd item (Orchid, Sheepstick). Makes him a pretty good splitpusher once his ability to solo-kill has diminished somewhat. I honestly think bloodstone is a shitty item on storm 90% of the time | ||
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RoyGBiv_13
United States1275 Posts
On September 14 2013 08:11 TheSubtleArt wrote: I honestly think bloodstone is a shitty item on storm 90% of the time Great item if you're going to win anyway.... | ||
Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On September 14 2013 08:00 trifecta wrote: since when does 95%+ of pubs conform to or follow the current metagame? Sorry, I dont think of pubs as anything. Literally anything goes in pubs. The only time discussing heroes or items is worth it is in the competitive sense. You could build shit by closing your eyes and left clicking in pubs and still win. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On September 14 2013 08:25 RoyGBiv_13 wrote: Great item if you're going to win anyway.... There are probably other good situations for it, such as going up against supports that you can reliably blow up in a second (or who just feed a lot). The regen definitely can help. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On September 14 2013 08:30 Two_DoWn wrote: Sorry, I dont think of pubs as anything. Literally anything goes in pubs. The only time discussing heroes or items is worth it is in the competitive sense. You could build shit by closing your eyes and left clicking in pubs and still win. Do you know the Power Zues build (spelling intentional)? You build Mjollnir. If you can win with that, I'd be impressed. | ||
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Two_DoWn
United States13684 Posts
On September 14 2013 08:35 Acritter wrote: Do you know the Power Zues build (spelling intentional)? You build Mjollnir. If you can win with that, I'd be impressed. Challenge accepted. But I have to be somewhere until later. Ill post results then. Im assuming its OK for me to get small shit like boots first? Itll be my first big item of course. | ||
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
On September 14 2013 08:30 Two_DoWn wrote: Sorry, I dont think of pubs as anything. Literally anything goes in pubs. The only time discussing heroes or items is worth it is in the competitive sense. You could build shit by closing your eyes and left clicking in pubs and still win. I don't really understand this mentality. There's nothing wrong with discussing how items or heroes play out in pub games since the vast majority of people here will play pubs. Also no, you really can't. | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
Anyhow. Discussing how things play out in pubs is far more useful than discussing pro level | ||
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Kammalleri
Canada613 Posts
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Yacobs
United States846 Posts
On September 14 2013 08:06 TheYango wrote: It has nothing to do with the current metagame. It has to do with pubs being inherently snowbally and playing builds that usually involve farming to 3rd item before participating in fights being generally ineffective in them compared to builds with earlier teamfight participation. It also has to do with your teammates usually being pretty poor about leveraging the map pressure that split-pushing creates. I dunno, at least in "High" games, I find that split pushing can be very effective because pub teams with poor communication and coordination don't know how to efficiently respond to it. By splitpushing a tower you can draw 3+ TPs or you can even defend a rax solo by splitpushing and they might even back off your base. Things like that. Split pushing creates decisions for them to make which invites the possibility of bad team decision-making. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
You can make just about anything work agaisnt a team with absolutely no synergy whereas a composed team thats communicating and working together will not make some hero compositions, pub builds or w.e viable. | ||
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Shaella
United States14828 Posts
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hideo
Canada1641 Posts
On September 14 2013 09:41 Erasme wrote: Split pushing is effective at every level of the matchmaking, however rushing BoT will make you useless and can lose you games Fast BoTs don't have much to do with split pushing at all. Outside of Tinker who wants BoT ASAP... I think the last time I've seen a BoT-rushing split pusher was Lakelz-style morphling and that wasn't popular at all. I guess meepo qualifies too, but you want the agh staff first. OTOH, BoT-first bat, solo bane, beastmaster, etc. is devastating, because you can attend every single little skirmish that breaks out. Now that I think about it, it's kinda sad BoT-first necrolyte isn't a thing anymore. | ||
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Comeh
United States18919 Posts
On September 14 2013 09:41 Erasme wrote: Split pushing is effective at every level of the matchmaking, however rushing BoT will make you useless and can lose you games Tell that to the QoP on my team in the chicago LAN. The amount of rage over skype was rather insane when he never bought a sheepstick. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On September 14 2013 10:07 Comeh wrote: Tell that to the QoP on my team in the chicago LAN. The amount of rage over skype was rather insane when he never bought a sheepstick. it's kind of crazy how people can rage over each other in a lan. i mean i get that the games tend to be more serious but you know. | ||
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
On September 14 2013 10:07 hideo wrote: Fast BoTs don't have much to do with split pushing at all. Outside of Tinker who wants BoT ASAP... I think the last time I've seen a BoT-rushing split pusher was Lakelz-style morphling and that wasn't popular at all. I guess meepo qualifies too, but you want the agh staff first. OTOH, BoT-first bat, solo bane, beastmaster, etc. is devastating, because you can attend every single little skirmish that breaks out. Now that I think about it, it's kinda sad BoT-first necrolyte isn't a thing anymore. I'm saying that rushing BoT is bad. And how isnt fast BoT related to splitpush ? jesus and bot first anything (bar tinker) is subpar. Bane/Bat wants a blink or arcane, bm wants a mek or a blink before even considering BoT. | ||
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Erandorr
2283 Posts
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