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Incze
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Romania2058 Posts
September 13 2013 21:27 GMT
#77641
On September 14 2013 06:21 Zealos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2013 06:19 Comeh wrote:
On September 14 2013 06:15 Zealos wrote:
I am actually waiting for someone to try to justify OOV on AM in some weird contrived situation. Come on GD, work your magic : D

Alright here we go.

So in a solo vs solo matchup against someone AM has a movespeed advantage over this could work. You use your first hit to proc the OoV - drop the OoV so you can manaburn your target and then blink forward as well. You only need the first OoV proc in your chase to kill the other hero.

Bonus points if you use your courier to pick up the OoV to deliver to you so you can proc it again when it runs out.

Turns out Manabreak will override the OoV anyway. Perhaps you use your first hit with OoV, then level up mana break to use that?


These are some next-level tactics right here.
Here's an idea, can you buy the OoV from the side shop, attack with it then sell it back for full price immediately after?
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
September 13 2013 21:28 GMT
#77642
I predict this thread is about to go through a stupid period again.

See ya on the other side guys.
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
September 13 2013 21:30 GMT
#77643
On September 14 2013 06:27 Incze wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2013 06:21 Zealos wrote:
On September 14 2013 06:19 Comeh wrote:
On September 14 2013 06:15 Zealos wrote:
I am actually waiting for someone to try to justify OOV on AM in some weird contrived situation. Come on GD, work your magic : D

Alright here we go.

So in a solo vs solo matchup against someone AM has a movespeed advantage over this could work. You use your first hit to proc the OoV - drop the OoV so you can manaburn your target and then blink forward as well. You only need the first OoV proc in your chase to kill the other hero.

Bonus points if you use your courier to pick up the OoV to deliver to you so you can proc it again when it runs out.

Turns out Manabreak will override the OoV anyway. Perhaps you use your first hit with OoV, then level up mana break to use that?


These are some next-level tactics right here.
Here's an idea, can you buy the OoV from the side shop, attack with it then sell it back for full price immediately after?

Ok.
Buy blink dagger. Buy OoV. Blink dagger to target. Hit, blink back, and sell the OoV again for free dmg PROFIT.
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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
September 13 2013 21:31 GMT
#77644
Thats a good way to speed up a solo rosh. You just buy a hyperstone/demonedge, sell it 8sec later, rinse and repeat
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Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
September 13 2013 21:31 GMT
#77645
I thought OoV was a buffplacer and not an orb? Or is that only the Skadi?
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
September 13 2013 21:32 GMT
#77646
If only OOV doesn't use up 1 slot.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-13 21:47:06
September 13 2013 21:40 GMT
#77647
On September 14 2013 06:10 trinxified wrote:
Orb of Venom is actually a good purchase on a lot of melee heroes. Just that nobody ever thinks about it unless they are LD or Slark.

OoV is good in situations where you will get to use it a lot. The thing is, a freefarm melee carry will not get to use it before they want to ditch that slot for other items, and most melee mids don't right-click things enough for it to matter.

LD is just not slot-constrained so he can hold onto OoV for a long time, and Slark actually is a much more fight/gank oriented hero than most auto-attacking melees so he gets real mileage out of the item.

On September 14 2013 06:31 Najda wrote:
I thought OoV was a buffplacer and not an orb? Or is that only the Skadi?

This is correct but the only item orb that is not also a buff placer is lifesteal, so in practice it still shouldn't stack with anything other than lifesteal.

It has bugged interactions with a lot of things right now, though.
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
September 13 2013 21:40 GMT
#77648
On September 14 2013 06:31 Najda wrote:
I thought OoV was a buffplacer and not an orb? Or is that only the Skadi?

The clue is in the name : D
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-13 21:46:17
September 13 2013 21:46 GMT
#77649
oops, hit quote instead of edit
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NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
September 13 2013 21:46 GMT
#77650
Yango Yango on the wall
Who are the heroes thats good with linken?
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Elasticity
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
3420 Posts
September 13 2013 21:48 GMT
#77651
every hero is good with linkens
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
September 13 2013 21:49 GMT
#77652
linkens is pinoy trademark item.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
September 13 2013 21:50 GMT
#77653
I hate linkins as an item. Every time I get it it seems to do way less than you expect that it should

Its like that whole "oh spell block is awesome, and stats, and regen, whats not to like?" But then you kind of see it in play. I dunno. I think the item is VERY overrated and should almost never be a first buy on any hero.
"What is the air speed velocity of an unladen courier?" "Dire or Radiant?"
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
September 13 2013 21:51 GMT
#77654
On September 14 2013 06:46 NB wrote:
Yango Yango on the wall
Who are the heroes thats good with linken?

that doesn't even rhyme.

At least end with "of them all?"

Come one bro get your fairy tales right.
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-13 21:52:59
September 13 2013 21:51 GMT
#77655
A lot of heroes are good with Linken's, it's just a general farm item for mana-dependent heroes (and often favored for ones with split-pushing ability) or heroes that use +all stats well. Essentially heroes that can use +15 Int +150% mana regen to spam nuke creep waves/jungle camps to flash farm or splitpush.

The main thing is that for its stats, Linken's is a weak fighting item, so buying a Linken's usually implies you aren't going to fight until +1-2 more items.
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
September 13 2013 21:52 GMT
#77656
I really like Linkins on Storm as a third item if you've built up a load of Bloodstone charges and already have a good 2nd item (Orchid, Sheepstick). Makes him a pretty good splitpusher once his ability to solo-kill has diminished somewhat.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
September 13 2013 21:54 GMT
#77657
On September 14 2013 06:51 TheYango wrote:
A lot of heroes are good with Linken's, it's just a general farm item for mana-dependent heroes (and often favored for ones with split-pushing ability) or heroes that use +all stats well. Essentially heroes that can use +15 Int +150% mana regen to spam nuke creep waves/jungle camps to flash farm or splitpush.

The main thing is that for its stats, Linken's is a weak fighting item, so buying a Linken's usually implies you aren't going to fight until +1-2 more items.

I think its worth noting that its situationally a pretty good item for heroes that split push heavily and have a good escape mechanism that uses a lot of mana (your morphlings, storms, qops [of course those are more rare]) It's a good farming item, but it also makes it pretty hard to sheep / orchid these heroes before they can get away. Obviously this ties back in to being a farming item, but just something I like to note.

Or at least that's what I tell myself.
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RoyGBiv_13
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1275 Posts
September 13 2013 22:44 GMT
#77658
On September 14 2013 06:54 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2013 06:51 TheYango wrote:
A lot of heroes are good with Linken's, it's just a general farm item for mana-dependent heroes (and often favored for ones with split-pushing ability) or heroes that use +all stats well. Essentially heroes that can use +15 Int +150% mana regen to spam nuke creep waves/jungle camps to flash farm or splitpush.

The main thing is that for its stats, Linken's is a weak fighting item, so buying a Linken's usually implies you aren't going to fight until +1-2 more items.

I think its worth noting that its situationally a pretty good item for heroes that split push heavily and have a good escape mechanism that uses a lot of mana (your morphlings, storms, qops [of course those are more rare]) It's a good farming item, but it also makes it pretty hard to sheep / orchid these heroes before they can get away. Obviously this ties back in to being a farming item, but just something I like to note.

Or at least that's what I tell myself.


The linkens sphere really shines in small skirmishes, where the fight may be prolonged and regen and a balanced stat pool are particularly important. Right now in the metagame, pretty much every fight after 12 minutes is a 5v5 with global presence being such a big deal, so I struggle to justify getting the orb anywhere except when I plan on carrying my baddy friends.
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Two_DoWn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States13684 Posts
September 13 2013 22:47 GMT
#77659
That is a good point. Linkens is good when you can do linkens+1 or 2 items. Currently the metagame doesnt allow that.
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trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
September 13 2013 23:00 GMT
#77660
since when does 95%+ of pubs conform to or follow the current metagame?
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