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Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
September 01 2013 16:34 GMT
#75461
On September 02 2013 01:26 Gentso wrote:
Light of Heaven bought Vanguard in a pro match...he must be a noob!


Lol, vanguard is pretty good against brood. Used to be bought a lot on non-traditional Brood counters(Panda coming to mind).
Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
September 01 2013 16:36 GMT
#75462
On September 02 2013 01:34 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 01:26 Gentso wrote:
Light of Heaven bought Vanguard in a pro match...he must be a noob!


Lol, vanguard is pretty good against brood. Used to be bought a lot on non-traditional Brood counters(Panda coming to mind).


Vanguard is useless since the spiderlings don't do more than 20 damage. I guess you get the additional chance to block, but there is no way that is cost efficient.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-01 16:37:15
September 01 2013 16:36 GMT
#75463
On September 02 2013 01:26 Gentso wrote:
Light of Heaven bought Vanguard in a pro match...he must be a noob!

Not sure why he did that tho, in dota 1 I think I never seen a successful centaur not go blink first. Even hood and double edge the spiders would been better I think, not sure I want to do the math =D
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
September 01 2013 16:47 GMT
#75464
This game shows the problems with an inexperienced brood. He was the most farmed hero on their team yet never joined the team so obviously they lost every fight. He can't break rax either since he can't solo Lost so he just does nothing.
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
September 01 2013 16:53 GMT
#75465
On September 02 2013 01:36 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 01:34 Numy wrote:
On September 02 2013 01:26 Gentso wrote:
Light of Heaven bought Vanguard in a pro match...he must be a noob!


Lol, vanguard is pretty good against brood. Used to be bought a lot on non-traditional Brood counters(Panda coming to mind).


Vanguard is useless since the spiderlings don't do more than 20 damage. I guess you get the additional chance to block, but there is no way that is cost efficient.


Better slot efficiency than carrying just a shield or shield plus vit booster.
WindWolf
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Sweden11767 Posts
September 01 2013 17:11 GMT
#75466
Won't spoil anything, but I got a tourament drop from the NEXT.kz - Menace match from Starladder. My second one ever (got one from DH Summer as well). The DHS one was a common item, this one was an uncommon. That means that my next one will be a rare, right?
EZ4ENCE
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
September 01 2013 17:21 GMT
#75467
On September 01 2013 21:52 teapoted wrote:
It's the kind of game where you will screw up a bunch of times because you don't know what you're really doing, and you have to try over and over. And the start gets really boring.

Also doesn't feel like there's all that much which is 'viable' in war chasers, it's a pretty difficult game.

If there was more heroes and you could try out a bunch of different things it would be good. But I'd rather play a user made custom map than warchasers.

God verdamme

D:

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babishh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada965 Posts
September 01 2013 17:21 GMT
#75468
On September 02 2013 02:11 WindWolf wrote:
Won't spoil anything, but I got a tourament drop from the NEXT.kz - Menace match from Starladder. My second one ever (got one from DH Summer as well). The DHS one was a common item, this one was an uncommon. That means that my next one will be a rare, right?


... indeed.
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Blitzkrieg0
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States13132 Posts
September 01 2013 17:24 GMT
#75469
On September 02 2013 02:21 SilverStar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 21:52 teapoted wrote:
It's the kind of game where you will screw up a bunch of times because you don't know what you're really doing, and you have to try over and over. And the start gets really boring.

Also doesn't feel like there's all that much which is 'viable' in war chasers, it's a pretty difficult game.

If there was more heroes and you could try out a bunch of different things it would be good. But I'd rather play a user made custom map than warchasers.

God verdamme

D:

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It's a lot easier if you know how to abuse savegames.
I'll always be your shadow and veil your eyes from states of ain soph aur.
Elasticity
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
3420 Posts
September 01 2013 17:47 GMT
#75470
On August 27 2013 10:25 ChunderBoy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2013 09:38 BurningSera wrote:
Damn this is why refresher spec gives 70mins game and armlet spec gives game of loss (it wouldn't be that bad of an item except he went manta next and team has no vlad). Suddenly I have respect for aui's skadi spec.


Please I've done Spectre Refresher a lot, the longest game I had was 60min... I got trilaned against and wrekt.
At 40 min I managed to get Radiance. I had Phase/Bracer... I even had to sell Bracer just to get Radiance recipe. In the span of the next 20min I managed to get 6 slotted. Enemy team even had 3 roshes.... Every other game was between 35-45 mins.

To not get hard games like the one I described, I have discovered that Armlet first then Rad/Refresher is the best.
Armlet is just too good on Spectre in a losing game. It's easier to toggle on her than other heroes since you take less damage from everything.
Also if you've been Armlet toggling for a long time in a fight, the enemies will be discouraged to chase you since you are dispersing damage that adds up overtime.

Also I always try to have Treads over Phase, and get Phase only when necessary

Thank you for teaching EE-sama the best spectre build
LuckoftheIrish
Profile Joined November 2011
United States4791 Posts
September 01 2013 18:07 GMT
#75471
On September 02 2013 00:28 teapoted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2013 23:21 LuckoftheIrish wrote:
Johan Lucchesi ‏@NaNiwaSC2 20m

my blog caused so much drama as usual i guess. dont missunderstand ! i am ofcourse jealous of ppl playing easy games 4 money

Johan Lucchesi ‏@NaNiwaSC2 19m

i have no regrets choosing sc2 I love the game, im just venting / Being sad about lesser games taking its place!


Never change, Naniwa. Never change.

There's a serious flaw in his argument, he says that he won an MLG and thought he was on top of the world. But then when he lost to the Koreans he realized it was so much more difficult. So he's essentially saying that he wouldn't know that it's the hardest without facing the toughest opponents, so why doesn't this apply to other games? Even WC3 where he was a pro player he wasn't a top contender. Did Naniwa have any more of a chance vs Moon in WC3 than he has against Koreans in SC2? Granted there are more Koreans in SC2, but if we're arguing skill level, amount of competition is irrelevant. Let alone games like Dota where he's only played Pub games 7 years ago.


I would say he has a much greater chance against Koreans in SC2 than he ever would have against Moon at his best.
On Twitter @GosuGamers_LotI | Grubby has a huge head!
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
September 01 2013 18:32 GMT
#75472
Lol Stop talking about naniwa. He's an asshole, he always was an asshole, and it looks like he'll be in his thirties before he grows and and stops being an asshole. who cares what he says. The funny thing is his complaints can always be turned against him. IF he thinks dota is so easy for so much money why doesn't he play dota: Either "you need 5 people" or "i have self respect" if its 5 people then lol because naniwa has never even found a team of more than 5 people that can stand him for very long which is why he had to be isolated on alliance. if its self respect, then whatever naniwa, you are insulting the part of your sponsored team that has made it relevant and known. No one cares about the sc2 part of alliance they haven't done anything impressive.
SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
September 01 2013 18:47 GMT
#75473
On September 02 2013 03:32 PrinceXizor wrote:
Lol Stop talking about naniwa. He's an asshole, he always was an asshole, and it looks like he'll be in his thirties before he grows and and stops being an asshole. who cares what he says. The funny thing is his complaints can always be turned against him. IF he thinks dota is so easy for so much money why doesn't he play dota: Either "you need 5 people" or "i have self respect" if its 5 people then lol because naniwa has never even found a team of more than 5 people that can stand him for very long which is why he had to be isolated on alliance. if its self respect, then whatever naniwa, you are insulting the part of your sponsored team that has made it relevant and known. No one cares about the sc2 part of alliance they haven't done anything impressive.

I hope he can turn it around in time. He is wasting a lot of his potential
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
September 01 2013 18:56 GMT
#75474
I don't think it detracts from his potential but rather motivates him to prove he is the best.
Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
September 01 2013 19:00 GMT
#75475
where's this naniwa blog?

and also, what's up with having to pay to spectate tournament games? what's the logic behind this? you can just watch twitch streams for free?
#1 Grubby Fan.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
September 01 2013 19:03 GMT
#75476
On September 02 2013 04:00 Derrida wrote:
where's this naniwa blog?

and also, what's up with having to pay to spectate tournament games? what's the logic behind this? you can just watch twitch streams for free?


Twitch streams have ad revenue. ingame has no ad revenue so it's substituted by having to pay
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
September 01 2013 19:04 GMT
#75477
On September 02 2013 04:00 Derrida wrote:
where's this naniwa blog?

and also, what's up with having to pay to spectate tournament games? what's the logic behind this? you can just watch twitch streams for free?

The logic is that the organizers cannot place ads or receive any other similar revenue inside the client, so you cannot completelly replace the streams with a free to watch alternative. People buy them for the same reason that they used to buy premium services, better quality, both live and when watching replays. Also sometimes you get ingame items and stuff like that.
Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
September 01 2013 19:09 GMT
#75478
On September 02 2013 04:04 SKC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 04:00 Derrida wrote:
where's this naniwa blog?

and also, what's up with having to pay to spectate tournament games? what's the logic behind this? you can just watch twitch streams for free?

The logic is that the organizers cannot place ads or receive any other similar revenue inside the client, so you cannot completelly replace the streams with a free to watch alternative. People buy them for the same reason that they used to buy premium services, better quality, both live and when watching replays. Also sometimes you get ingame items and stuff like that.


hmm well ok, but $4 is a bit overkill imo, does a single spectator on twitch generate anything close to that?
#1 Grubby Fan.
Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
September 01 2013 19:09 GMT
#75479
On September 02 2013 03:32 PrinceXizor wrote:
Lol Stop talking about naniwa. He's an asshole, he always was an asshole, and it looks like he'll be in his thirties before he grows and and stops being an asshole. who cares what he says. The funny thing is his complaints can always be turned against him. IF he thinks dota is so easy for so much money why doesn't he play dota: Either "you need 5 people" or "i have self respect" if its 5 people then lol because naniwa has never even found a team of more than 5 people that can stand him for very long which is why he had to be isolated on alliance. if its self respect, then whatever naniwa, you are insulting the part of your sponsored team that has made it relevant and known. No one cares about the sc2 part of alliance they haven't done anything impressive.

You seem far too angry about this. Whether you like Naniwa or not, going this mad about a blog he made is pretty unreasonable.
On the internet if you disagree with or dislike something you're angry and taking it too seriously. == Join TLMafia !
Unleashing
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark14978 Posts
September 01 2013 19:13 GMT
#75480
On September 02 2013 04:09 Derrida wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 02 2013 04:04 SKC wrote:
On September 02 2013 04:00 Derrida wrote:
where's this naniwa blog?

and also, what's up with having to pay to spectate tournament games? what's the logic behind this? you can just watch twitch streams for free?

The logic is that the organizers cannot place ads or receive any other similar revenue inside the client, so you cannot completelly replace the streams with a free to watch alternative. People buy them for the same reason that they used to buy premium services, better quality, both live and when watching replays. Also sometimes you get ingame items and stuff like that.


hmm well ok, but $4 is a bit overkill imo, does a single spectator on twitch generate anything close to that?

I'm not sure how it's overkill.
You still have a stream available with the highest of quality and it is completely optional if you want some extra stuff and want to support the tournament.
From the Ghastly Eyrie I can see to the ends of the world, and from this vantage point I declare with utter certainty that this one is in the bag!
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