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Dantak
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Kuroeeah
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On August 25 2013 05:32 PetrBlaha wrote: When is it better to take phase boots over power treads (and vice versa) on Nature's prophet? Is it just matter of preference? i think it's almost universally accepted that power threads is better on np than phase. | ||
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Dubzex
United States6994 Posts
On August 25 2013 05:33 Kuroeeah wrote: i think it's almost universally accepted that power threads is better on np than phase. But all the pros use phase now  | ||
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EmilA
Denmark4618 Posts
On August 25 2013 05:22 SkelA wrote: I feel like MMR is really good because it puts me with ppl of my skill range. There is nothing worse playing with random friend stacks that are terrible and you lose hard because of them. Stopped playing with every random friend invites and started playing solo queue all the way, went into very high like in few days. Playing with friends is completely unbearable I cannot fathom how people can play the game again and again and again and not improve their play the slightest. | ||
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Dantak
Czech Republic648 Posts
On August 25 2013 05:33 Kuroeeah wrote: i think it's almost universally accepted that power threads is better on np than phase. Thanks for answer. The thing is that even at pro games at TI3 I see lots of phase boots so I was wondering why is that | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On August 25 2013 05:35 PetrBlaha wrote: Thanks for answer. The thing is that even at pro games at TI3 I see lots of phase boots so I was wondering why is that Phase boots is probally gotten for the laning phase, when Prophets get a 1v1 lane specially. I don't see it being that useful in the way most pub Furions play. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On August 25 2013 05:35 PetrBlaha wrote: Thanks for answer. The thing is that even at pro games at TI3 I see lots of phase boots so I was wondering why is that phase boots on nature's prophet during ti3? what game was this? edit : scratch that, i found the games. | ||
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Grettin
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On August 25 2013 05:37 Kuroeeah wrote: phase boots on nature's prophet during ti3? what game was this? every bulldog game? (might not be every game though, but many games what i saw, bulldog went for phases) | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On August 25 2013 05:39 Grettin wrote: every bulldog game? (might not be every game though, but many games what i saw, bulldog went for phases) He definatelly went treads on plenty of games as well. But Phase boots are really not uncommon. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On August 25 2013 05:39 Grettin wrote: every bulldog game? (might not be every game though, but many games what i saw, bulldog went for phases) he went power threads for the most part over phase but the above reason is correct that np players went phase for one on one lanes. edit : i honestly still think threads is better under most circumstances but maybe the choice is a lot more preferential than i originally assumed. | ||
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tpmraven
United States833 Posts
But then again i dont jungle with np, and the phase helps ALOT with ganks, and helps last hits in lane. Start tango/claw. | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
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Dantak
Czech Republic648 Posts
On August 25 2013 05:49 trinxified wrote: Feels like not jungling with a hero that can jungle can hamper your team in terms of gold and XP... Unless there's another jungler in your team, then why not take the woods? There is usually a hero that can benefit more by being solo in the lane rather than clogging it. That really depends on the pick. Nowadays it's almost always preferable to have trilane so your choice is either to go woods or try to go offlane (even if only to block camps). | ||
TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 25 2013 05:26 Kuroeeah wrote: the thing about bkb i notice is how in most cases you can never regret it's purchase as long as you're being smart about when to use it. that said, fun > efficiency. Actually, in most cases if you aren't fighting with your BKB after you get it, it's not better than alternative options. For the majority of heroes, BKB farms a lot slower than the alternatives and contributes less to ganks/solo kills. So if you're not using it to teamfight and doing those things instead you will be doing them worse than if you got a different item. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On August 25 2013 05:49 trinxified wrote: Feels like not jungling with a hero that can jungle can hamper your team in terms of gold and XP... Unless there's another jungler in your team, then why not take the woods? There is usually a hero that can benefit more by being solo in the lane rather than clogging it. It depends on how well your team can handle being one man down in a lane, and it can stress the often sole support pretty badly. It should depend a lot on team comp and skill level of the players, but it definatelly isn't as simple as saying jungle is always better. Claw/tango seems a pretty greedy start for a laning Furion, specially a hardlane one. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 25 2013 05:51 PetrBlaha wrote: That really depends on the pick. Nowadays it's almost always preferable to have trilane so your choice is either to go woods or try to go offlane (even if only to block camps). There's also the fact that in many cases an off-lane 2v2 can win the lane against a safe lane 2v2. Winning an off-lane 2v2 and crushing the enemy carry's farm can often result in a better overall situation than having a jungler at the cost of a starved off-laner and a free-farmed enemy carry. It really shouldn't be the case that giving someone a 1v2 results in them getting more XP than if you 2v2ed. That's only the case if the enemy safe lane is terrible and do not pull/control lane properly or picked an exceptionally weak duo that could have been crushed by a proper 2v2 anyway. Otherwise the difficulty of getting XP at all 1v2 counteracts the fact that you're not splitting the XP 2 ways. | ||
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Kuroeeah
11696 Posts
On August 25 2013 05:52 TheYango wrote: Actually, in most cases if you aren't fighting with your BKB after you get it, it's not better than alternative options. For the majority of heroes, BKB farms a lot slower than the alternatives and contributes less to ganks/solo kills. So if you're not using it to teamfight and doing those things instead you will be doing them worse than if you got a different item. i can see that, i guess it speaks to personal playstyle when i like to play more team fight heavy heroes more than anything else. | ||
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SKC
Brazil18828 Posts
On August 25 2013 05:55 TheYango wrote: It really shouldn't be the case that giving someone a 1v2 results in them getting more XP than if you 2v2ed. That's only the case if the enemy safe lane is terrible and do not pull/control lane properly. That is the case in most lower level games though. Specially if you block the pull and pick a good offlane hero. That's why it depends heavily on what kind of game you are playing. | ||
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TheYango
United States47024 Posts
On August 25 2013 05:59 SKC wrote: That is the case in most lower level games though. Specially if you block the pull and pick a good offlane hero. That's why it depends heavily on what kind of game you are playing. Of course. 1-1-2+jungle is the most noob-friendly lane arrangement for low level games, I agree with that. I just disagree with trinixified's blanket statement that having a hero that can jungle always do so is universally better. | ||
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Kuroeeah
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