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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 19:11:32
August 22 2013 19:00 GMT
#73301
On August 23 2013 03:47 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Playing properly is being an "asshole"?

If someone can't have fun being a space creator then that's on them.

Not every team has to be picked as 4 protects 1. Not every hard carry has to be built with farming items.

These are deliberate decisions you make going into a game that are not more or less correct than the alternatives. Yes it's being selfish to pick heroes/choose items in a way where you expect the 4 other players to play around you the whole game (e.g. picking an AM when a Gyro or CK were totally acceptable for your teamcomp).
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hifriend
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
China7935 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 19:07:40
August 22 2013 19:07 GMT
#73302
On August 23 2013 04:00 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 03:47 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Playing properly is being an "asshole"?

If someone can't have fun being a space creator then that's on them.

Not every team has to be picked as 4 protects 1. Not every hard carry has to be built with farming items.

These are deliberate decisions you make going into a game, and yes it's being selfish to pick heroes/choose items in a way where you expect the 4 other players to play around you the whole game (e.g. picking an AM when a Gyro or CK were totally acceptable for your teamcomp).

I agree and I don't think ricing for 30 minutes is necessarily the "correct" way to carry within the context of a pub. Just seems silly to force 4 other people into that when there are so many other ways of playing dota.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 22 2013 19:11 GMT
#73303
On August 23 2013 04:07 hifriend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 04:00 TheYango wrote:
On August 23 2013 03:47 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Playing properly is being an "asshole"?

If someone can't have fun being a space creator then that's on them.

Not every team has to be picked as 4 protects 1. Not every hard carry has to be built with farming items.

These are deliberate decisions you make going into a game, and yes it's being selfish to pick heroes/choose items in a way where you expect the 4 other players to play around you the whole game (e.g. picking an AM when a Gyro or CK were totally acceptable for your teamcomp).

I agree and I don't think ricing for 30 minutes is necessarily the "correct" way to carry within the context of a pub. Just seems silly to force 4 other people into that when there are so many other ways of playing dota.

It is the nature of some team games, is you get that person who claims that they are playing “correctly” and you need to step in line for their play style. I have played with someone who is very good, but said “I don’t play the game to communicate with people. Just know what your job is.” When people say stuff, I just want to let them die and tell them they should have known they were out of position.

At the end of the day, you are going to get people who the term “properly” or “correctly” as a way to force you to adapt to their style.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 19:17:56
August 22 2013 19:16 GMT
#73304
Killing people is way more fun then PvE so why do anything else in pubs
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
August 22 2013 19:19 GMT
#73305
On August 23 2013 04:16 PassiveAce wrote:
Killing people is way more fun then PvE so why do anything else in pubs

PvE is more fun imo
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 19:20:56
August 22 2013 19:19 GMT
#73306
On August 23 2013 04:16 PassiveAce wrote:
Killing people is way more fun then PvE so why do anything else in pubs

Getting ganked while farming = easier to blame your teammates because you were “playing properly” and they didn’t “do their jobs by making space for you”

On August 23 2013 04:19 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 04:16 PassiveAce wrote:
Killing people is way more fun then PvE so why do anything else in pubs

PvE is more fun imo

Gets rid of all those pesky problems like “decision making” and “positioning” during team fights.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
August 22 2013 19:19 GMT
#73307
gotta get sick GPMs and creepscores so you can be 1337 gamer, what else?
You must gather your party before venturing forth.
Slomo
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany7198 Posts
August 22 2013 19:20 GMT
#73308
Next level strats on Dreads stream. A Dazzle went jungling with 2 couriers to have targets for his heal.
Or something like that. Need to find out what is going on.
RIP DOUBLE TI OG | #18 never forget
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
August 22 2013 19:25 GMT
#73309
On August 23 2013 04:19 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 04:16 PassiveAce wrote:
Killing people is way more fun then PvE so why do anything else in pubs

PvE is more fun imo

I dont know how to respond to that :/
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
August 22 2013 19:26 GMT
#73310
On August 23 2013 04:25 PassiveAce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 04:19 Shaella wrote:
On August 23 2013 04:16 PassiveAce wrote:
Killing people is way more fun then PvE so why do anything else in pubs

PvE is more fun imo

I dont know how to respond to that :/

Well PvEing gives me more money
with which i can buy items
to PvE faster and get more gold for more items.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 22 2013 19:27 GMT
#73311
On August 23 2013 04:26 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 04:25 PassiveAce wrote:
On August 23 2013 04:19 Shaella wrote:
On August 23 2013 04:16 PassiveAce wrote:
Killing people is way more fun then PvE so why do anything else in pubs

PvE is more fun imo

I dont know how to respond to that :/

Well PvEing gives me more money
with which i can buy items
to PvE faster and get more gold for more items.

And your entire team gets to suffer while you play Diablo for 45 minutes?
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
August 22 2013 19:28 GMT
#73312
On August 23 2013 03:57 Shaella wrote:
I have fun farming. Fuck the haters

Not directed at you specifically because I've never played with you and have no idea how you play, but for most people I can remember who've played like that, "I like farming" is a bit closer to "I don't know how to teamfight/use my skills properly without a 1+ item advantage".
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PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
August 22 2013 19:28 GMT
#73313
i dunno man i think farming heroes is way more fun then farming creeps
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
August 22 2013 19:30 GMT
#73314
On August 23 2013 04:00 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 03:47 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Playing properly is being an "asshole"?

If someone can't have fun being a space creator then that's on them.

Not every team has to be picked as 4 protects 1. Not every hard carry has to be built with farming items.

These are deliberate decisions you make going into a game that are not more or less correct than the alternatives. Yes it's being selfish to pick heroes/choose items in a way where you expect the 4 other players to play around you the whole game (e.g. picking an AM when a Gyro or CK were totally acceptable for your teamcomp).

Of course it's not always best to play 4p1. Sometimes it is, however, and sometimes it's one of a variety of possible choices.

Every pick forces the team to play in a certain way. It's not selfish, it's just the way the game works. I don't see any sort of logic behind saying people should play things your specific way or else they're an asshole. That's just silly. If you can't deal with playing with teammates who want to play a different style to you then play in a stack. They don't owe it to you to play your kind of Dota any more than you owe it to them.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Talron
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany7651 Posts
August 22 2013 19:30 GMT
#73315
On August 23 2013 04:19 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 04:16 PassiveAce wrote:
Killing people is way more fun then PvE so why do anything else in pubs

PvE is more fun imo

That guy knows what's up.

Me vs. Creeps. My favorite lane.
EHOME 2010 never forget EHOME.GIGABYTE.AAA B-God In BurNing we trust BurNing your soul DK 2011-2014
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 19:32:53
August 22 2013 19:32 GMT
#73316
On August 23 2013 04:30 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 04:00 TheYango wrote:
On August 23 2013 03:47 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Playing properly is being an "asshole"?

If someone can't have fun being a space creator then that's on them.

Not every team has to be picked as 4 protects 1. Not every hard carry has to be built with farming items.

These are deliberate decisions you make going into a game that are not more or less correct than the alternatives. Yes it's being selfish to pick heroes/choose items in a way where you expect the 4 other players to play around you the whole game (e.g. picking an AM when a Gyro or CK were totally acceptable for your teamcomp).

Of course it's not always best to play 4p1. Sometimes it is, however, and sometimes it's one of a variety of possible choices.

Every pick forces the team to play in a certain way. It's not selfish, it's just the way the game works. I don't see any sort of logic behind saying people should play things your specific way or else they're an asshole. That's just silly. If you can't deal with playing with teammates who want to play a different style to you then play in a stack. They don't owe it to you to play your kind of Dota any more than you owe it to them.

So by that note, they don't owe you anything and if they don't want to make space for you to farm, you need to deal with it and pick a different build, buckle down and get in some man fights over towers.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
Porkz
Profile Joined December 2010
Denmark1027 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 19:33:59
August 22 2013 19:33 GMT
#73317
New patch!

http://dev.dota2.com/showthread.php?t=103333

Gameplay
- Fixed players' current gold being networked to enemy players.
- Fixed Spirit Breaker's charge target being networked to enemy players.
- Picking up an armlet that is toggled on will only grant the buff if you own the armlet.
- Autocast abilities check target type rules consistently. This should prevent Clinkz's searing arrows hitting wards, for example.
- Added Elder Titan, Abaddon, Centaur and Troll Warlord to Captain's Mode.
- Fixed Neutral Thunderhide not using Slam when 3 enemies are nearby.
- Fixed Neutral Thunderhide's Slam not slowing attack speed.
- Ancient Apparition: Frostbite debuff will prevent health gain from levelling up, extra strength or extra max hp.
- Slark: Fixed BKB not removing Pounce's Leash.
- Treant Protector: Fixed Overgrowth affecting couriers.
- Troll Warlord: Fixed Illusions benefiting from Fervor.
- Troll Warlord: Fixed ranged form sometimes being able to bash.
- Weaver's geminate ability no longer activates when attacking wards.
- Weaver's time lapse and Disruptor's glimpse now can rewind things back to before the ability was skilled.

UI
- Runes now draw in the minimap for spectators.
- Increased the penalty for not readying up from 45 seconds to 2 minutes.
- Spectator stats dropdown is unlocked while listening to broadcasters.
- Added a preference and cvar "dota_spectator_use_broadcaster_stats_panel" to allow spectators to have full control over the stats panels.
- Private (friend/guild) lobbies now display their game name so that those browsing lobbies can get more info on what the lobby is for.
- Changed drag-select of units to use the same hit detection as click-select. This fixes a number of issues where units would not get selected.
- Fixed bugs that were allowing edge panning to be enabled during drag-select.
- Reduced CPU usage of drag-select.
- Fixed some newline formatting errors in the combat log.
- Prevented guides for the previously-played hero from erroneously showing up at the start of the next game.
- Added AOE hover indicator for Death Pulse.

Economy
- Added Waldi courier, Ocula ward, 3 HUDs and 14 hero item sets to the store.
- Updated Sniper's workshop model files with improved weighting, including corrected smd files.

Audio
- Fixed bad interactions with some looping sounds and FoW.
- Fixed Reincarnate stinger sometimes playing late when triggered in vision but out of hearing range.
- Fixed some item cast sounds that could be heard through FoW.
- Typing "tu" in chat no longer triggers hero "thank you" lines.

Mac/Linux
- Fixed crash when using certain spells / illusions on Intel HD4000. [Mac]
- Fixed intermittent crash when cmd-tabbing. [Mac]
- Fixed issues with older PulseAudio installations. [Linux]
- Improved stability when showing webpages.
- Allow setting language of audio and text separately, through Steam. (Text comes from Steam's language, audio comes from the language set in Dota 2's properties on Steam)
- Made Dota2 respond to window manager requests to close it.
- Fixes to make Dota2 work on a broader set of video cards on Linux
- Fixed key repeat to work in text entry windows.
- Fixed loading screens to show an image instead of a black screen
- Fixed a bug preventing multiple users from playing Dota2 (at different times) on a machine.
- Fixed sounds not working when a matchmaking game is ready to start. Added a desktop notification on Linux
- Added XBox 360 spectating controller support.
- Fixed crash on hero selection screen on Linux.
- Fixed a rendering bug when turning off Specular in advanced video settings.
- Fixed mouse offset bug and window size/aspect ratio issue when moving from full screen to windowed modes.
Great supine protoplasmic invertebrate jellies
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-22 19:37:00
August 22 2013 19:34 GMT
#73318
Well a lot of pub players don't get that some heroes can team fight early, mid-game or late. Not everyone is built to fight 15 minutes in...

So you get a lot of flaming about them losing a 4v5 team fight since you didn't die with them, so that means you didn't do enough and just suck.

Happens almost every time... And then when you do fight, lose the team fight, then come 25 minutes in with no items, they still blame you for not farming enough items.

And as per the patch notes above... "- Weaver's time lapse and Disruptor's glimpse now can rewind things back to before the ability was skilled." Pretty big change on this one...
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
August 22 2013 19:34 GMT
#73319
On August 23 2013 04:27 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 04:26 Shaella wrote:
On August 23 2013 04:25 PassiveAce wrote:
On August 23 2013 04:19 Shaella wrote:
On August 23 2013 04:16 PassiveAce wrote:
Killing people is way more fun then PvE so why do anything else in pubs

PvE is more fun imo

I dont know how to respond to that :/

Well PvEing gives me more money
with which i can buy items
to PvE faster and get more gold for more items.

And your entire team gets to suffer while you play Diablo for 45 minutes?

Nah
I always carry a TP scroll

JUST IN CASE

I can't farm if my whole team's dead
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 22 2013 19:34 GMT
#73320
On August 23 2013 04:30 Talron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 23 2013 04:19 Shaella wrote:
On August 23 2013 04:16 PassiveAce wrote:
Killing people is way more fun then PvE so why do anything else in pubs

PvE is more fun imo

That guy knows what's up.

Me vs. Creeps. My favorite lane.


Games must be so hard for you guys. Can't just pick space cow then farm heroes until enemies cower in their base.
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