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Grettin
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-Celestial-
United Kingdom3867 Posts
On August 20 2013 21:40 Itsmedudeman wrote: lmao singsing just got a game with someone who had less than 5 games played and just suicided into creeps Sounds like matchmaking working as well as ever then! Edit: On August 20 2013 22:15 convention wrote: Because there is no surrender option, I feel like the "polite" thing to do in a game that is already over, is to finish the stupid game. Sure it's fun the for the winning team to really rub it in by fountain diving for the last 10 minutes of the game. But I'd rather be 10 minutes into the next game, but instead the winning team will intentionally not kill a rax just so they can humiliate you. To me, this is the same thing (in terms of rudeness) of losing to a 6 pool as terran, and lifting up your CC and flying to the corner. Now you have to spend time mindless teching up to air units to kill my CC. At least in SC2, you still get the win. In DOTA2, I still get the loss, I just have to wait another 10 minutes while you rack up your epeen points. I think the big difference is which side is on the end of the "delaying tactics". In SC2 its the loser who flies buildings off and stuff like that. Sure its annoying for the person who won, but at least they won it and have control over when the game ends (i.e. they control the finish by building air units and going hunting). In DOTA2 its the WINNING team who stalls the game out which is infinitely more annoying. Because the losing team can rarely do anything about it. You can't surrender. You can't "lose more". You can't quit out. You have to sit there waiting until the other side can be bothered to actually finish or for the creeps to do it. And if most of the rax are still up that can take a very long time. In short: in SC2 its annoying but at least you got the satisfaction that if you just persist then you'll get awarded the win. In DOTA2 its annoying, you have no control over it and you're looking a loss in the face and would rather just move onto the next game. Sure you get the occassional one where a team thinks they've won, goes fountain diving and then screws up. I was watching some old Fails of the Week episodes the other day and there was one where a Lich got BoT and backdoored their base; they being so busy fountain camping they didn't realise they were about to lose. Another time was a game I was playing where my team had given up and the other team was messing about and their cocky-as-hell Bloodseeker fed me (as PA) a rapier. We didn't win but hell that could have gone badly for them. But by and large those are the exceptions and instead its anything up to twenty minutes of sitting there waiting for a game that is already over to actually finish. | ||
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EmilA
Denmark4618 Posts
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Grettin
42416 Posts
On August 20 2013 22:40 -Celestial- wrote: Sounds like matchmaking working as well as ever then! David GoDz Parker @BTSGoDz matchmaking has hit a new all-time low for me... no items drow with 6 hours of Dota2 gameplay on my team.... fucking stupid as shit. | ||
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Makenshi
Sweden2105 Posts
On August 20 2013 22:41 EmilA wrote: HELP ME MOM sheever: i'm not your mom!!! pretty hilarious stream | ||
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Najda
United States3765 Posts
I wonder if it's a result of them getting lucky their first few games and the smurf detection jumping their mmr up way too high. | ||
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EmilA
Denmark4618 Posts
On August 20 2013 22:45 Najda wrote: I wonder if it's a result of them getting lucky their first few games and the smurf detection jumping their mmr up way too high. Nah can't be. I have smurfs that take the first 15 wins and they do not get matched with anything but other smurfs. I am 100 % positive there is a # of games played component in MM (though it seems to be completely phased out at 1k+ games played.) | ||
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EmilA
Denmark4618 Posts
On August 20 2013 22:36 EmilA wrote: How can I go from 6 straight page 1 game (wins) vs kaipi and LIFE stacks while playing with the best random teams I have ever, ever had (super competent thinkers and strategists) to suddenly getting a game with 4 slavs/russians/we that instalock sniper-slark-tinker-lion (upon which Lion announces he wants mid and wants to carry, keep in mind he wrote this in cyrrilic first.) I am pretty sure that if SC2 used Valve MMR then plat players would face GMs and silvers on the same day ._. http://dotabuff.com/matches/280994107 gg icefraud, at least his game was worse. Singsing: 5669 hours played Nyx: 10 hours played Sniper: RoR, Ogre Club, Chainmail Both queueing alone. | ||
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akatama
Romania982 Posts
On August 20 2013 21:40 Itsmedudeman wrote: lmao singsing just got a game with someone who had less than 5 games played and just suicided into creeps I met similar things a couple times. I think they are item bots. | ||
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misirlou
Portugal3316 Posts
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Najda
United States3765 Posts
On August 20 2013 23:16 EmilA wrote: http://dotabuff.com/matches/280994107 gg icefraud, at least his game was worse. Singsing: 5669 hours played Nyx: 10 hours played Sniper: RoR, Ogre Club, Chainmail Both queueing alone. Lion had 2 crystalys. I wonder if it's that guy from a few pages back commenting on how crystalys is the best damage item. Seriously though, looking at the items, the top 3 players of both teams were new. Are you sure he was queuing alone? | ||
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EmilA
Denmark4618 Posts
On August 20 2013 23:33 akatama wrote: I met similar things a couple times. I think they are item bots. The issue is that singsing - who is probably top 100 on whatever hidden mmr this shit system uses - meets a 0 win player :p Unrelated: Oh my god sheever makes TERRIBLE decisions :D I think the old troll warlord branch trap guide would be succesful vs her. Edit:^ above guy http://www.twitch.tv/sing_sing/b/448609440 5 min stream until he crashes :p 100% solo | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On August 20 2013 23:36 EmilA wrote: The issue is that singsing - who is probably top 100 on whatever hidden mmr this shit system uses - meets a 0 win player :p Unrelated: Oh my god sheever makes TERRIBLE decisions :D I think the old troll warlord branch trap guide would be succesful vs her. It happens all the time in the lower teir and I think that the MMR just has a rough time dealing with really varied stacks of players. I am pretty bad at Dota 2, but if I play with a friend that has been playing since Dota 1, we get thrown into some wild sets of players. We had a team where their SB and Jugg’s could farm or build items to save their lives, but they had the best Rubic I have ever seen in a game. | ||
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EmilA
Denmark4618 Posts
On August 20 2013 23:43 Plansix wrote: It happens all the time in the lower teir and I think that the MMR just has a rough time dealing with really varied stacks of players. I am pretty bad at Dota 2, but if I play with a friend that has been playing since Dota 1, we get thrown into some wild sets of players. We had a team where their SB and Jugg’s could farm or build items to save their lives, but they had the best Rubic I have ever seen in a game. But everybody was solo queueing | ||
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Andre
Slovenia3523 Posts
Must be some bug. | ||
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BlitzerSC
Italy8800 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On August 20 2013 23:36 EmilA wrote: The issue is that singsing - who is probably top 100 on whatever hidden mmr this shit system uses - meets a 0 win player :p Unrelated: Oh my god sheever makes TERRIBLE decisions :D I think the old troll warlord branch trap guide would be succesful vs her. Edit:^ above guy http://www.twitch.tv/sing_sing/b/448609440 5 min stream until he crashes :p 100% solo LOL i've literally never had an issue with matchmaking in over a thousand games. Singsing looks like he was in LP for that match though. Especially funny that his team won the game linked on dotabuff. LOLOLOLOLOLO OH god guys. http://www.twitch.tv/livinpink/b/448418283 Livinpink is learning dota 2 with 2GD helping her. <3 | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Ok, I missed that part and that is really weird. I wouldn’t be shocked if it just the large number of new players with low numbers of games fucking with the MMR. The first month of Hots was the wild west when it game to MMR and I was matched against high masters players and then silver players in the next game. | ||
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EmilA
Denmark4618 Posts
On August 20 2013 23:48 BlitzerSC wrote: Or maybe its just the MM that is terrible. It can't be this terrible. The "terrible" people you sometimes see on sings stream have all been top percentile players, but these guys are complete rookies. | ||
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gaymon
Germany1023 Posts
In case you havent noticed, everytime somebody new enters the system it will get more inaccurate. The better the player is, the more inaccurate its going to be so every single one of you who played on a smurf, did his own part in making the MM system worse for everybody. Because you probably are not able to comprehend what i said i'm gonna give u an easy example. Lets imagine Dendi creates a new account and plays on it; he is probably gonna win 10 games or so in a row until he is put into a match he simply cannot win; on his way up there he gave new players a huge amount of probably undeserved wins, but is the System able to accurately tell that they did not deserve it ? Obviously not; although it is constantly beeing improved there is no chance for it to analyze who had which role in the game (besides gpm/xpm/kills etc., but those are apparently not enough to draw a precise picture) and therefore those new players are put into games which are far too hard for them. Just a personal anecdote, but i havent had a serious problem with the system in over 2000 games; although there were some obviously unfair matches I understand that this is simply the case in such a complex 5v5 game and it is virtually impossible to find an automatic system which is accurate. | ||
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