General Discussion - Page 3629

If you added bounties to illusions either it would be too low to matter and people would ignore the bounty and the gold over time wouldn't matter to the team receiving it (gold is gold, but you understand what I mean I hope) OR it would be too much, and manta would no longer be picked up (unused items are generally a bad thing), and PL/SD would be picked even less than they are now (and let's be honest, they aren't picked that much atm.)

On August 18 2013 01:52 Irratonalys wrote:


well , that argument can be made for every kind of bounty. of course you have to find the sweet spot.

All heroes share the same bounty system, only familiars, spiderlings and the bear have bounties (that I can think of off the top of my head), and you see how much adjusting the bounties of those have decreased the playtime of those heroes. Why would you want to do that to MORE heroes? Unless you just don't enjoy them, and want to see them played less. But look at the rates druid have been played (outside of AB) in the most recent patch, and look at BM as well. Naga is played slightly more, but again mostly by EGM, other teams weren't picking it every game.

Again, why would you want heroes not picked every game to be played even less? A mentality of 'nerf everything' is a lot less enjoyable than what IF does now concerning balance.

Bounty on illusions is just another of those things that wouldnt really add anything. I mean, it definnitely COULD work like that, but it would hardly just instantly make the game better in any way and would require lots and lots of rebalancing. So theres just no reason to add it. I mean, why is there 5 jungle camps and not 4 or 6? Why is there an armor debuff component on desolator and not an another item instead? Why can u buy a blink dagger but not a ghost scepter at the side shops?

I'd assume it is because it is based on the lack of bounty for illusions in WC3. They're also unlike the golem or spirit bear in the sense that they take something like 300-350% damage from attacks, they're meant to die rapidly and easily. Sure you can argue that spiderlings and familiars aren't the tankiest creatures, but they still have stealth and invincibility mechanics, unlike illusions. So if you're going to keep the current mechanics in place and only add a bounty, for something like PL illusions you'd have to add a ridiculously low bounty to keep it fair, and at that point, why even add one if it is so low?

Also, there is a risk, if you're out of the fountain there is always a risk.

More risk would merely produce more iG vs DK games where no team wants to force anything since they know it's way easier to instantly lose than it is to win. You need mechanics in the game that allow you to win when you have an advantage.

On August 18 2013 02:37 Excludos wrote:
While im at the questions, even tho Im technically in the wrong thread, why do you guys think Warlock wasn't picked much at TI3? He seems to me like the perfect counter to any "big aoe" heroes like magnus, enigma, tide, etc. As you can just stand outside of range and toss your ulti after they do. Not to mention he makes it a lot easier to breach T3, because, like I said, you have a big aoe that can cancel any of theirs and/or stun their whole team, and the golems are really wicked strong.
I get he doesn't bring much to a trilane, and he can't offlane by himself. But with some of the imaginatively laning we got to see, its hard to see why he was only picked once during the entire tournament.

On August 18 2013 02:37 Excludos wrote:
While im at the questions, even tho Im technically in the wrong thread, why do you guys think Warlock wasn't picked much at TI3? He seems to me like the perfect counter to any "big aoe" heroes like magnus, enigma, tide, etc. As you can just stand outside of range and toss your ulti after they do. I get he doesn't bring much to a trilane, and he can't offlane by himself. But with some of the imaginatively laning we got to see, its hard to see why he was only picked once during the entire tournament.