EPTOn August 17 2013 18:21 cecek wrote:
I just remember Mystic Staff was a part of the old Aghanims.
I just remember Mystic Staff was a part of the old Aghanims.
Mystic staff and soul booster
Shit was amazing on lesh
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Stancel
Singapore15360 Posts
Mystic staff and soul booster Shit was amazing on lesh | ||
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EnumaAvalon
Philippines3613 Posts
On August 17 2013 22:30 Irratonalys wrote: Why do you not get bounty for Illusions? They tank damage , they inflict damage , they exist for a limited duration. they`re the same as summoned units in every conceivable way. this disparity is just hurting heroes like lycan or brood that rely on summoned units. i mean , what the difference if i push a lane with my pl army or spiderlings? one gets penalized , the other does not. I would suggest something like 0,25% of a heros net worth as gold bounty for illusions , so a CK with threads drums armlets illuisions are like 12 gold , barely noticable , while a six slotted antimages mantastyle illusions would be worth 75 gold. would also but a cost on the "death by a thousand cuts strategy" of just sending mantastyle illusions to siege towers without penalty. Imagine the dark seer wall illusions. Also lore wise it makes less sense. This is just my opinion tho. | ||
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Andre
Slovenia3523 Posts
Brood is all about the splitpush yet she really gets punished for it if you're not careful, PL can just suicide his illusions into shit. Comparing heroes on such a basis is silly most of the time, but it would seem there's some merit to it in this situation. Both heroes do specialize in split-pushing. | ||
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Daozzt
United States1263 Posts
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Northern Ireland22213 Posts
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Delphiki
Philippines1955 Posts
On August 17 2013 23:35 ahswtini wrote: The more I think about it, the less ridiculous bounties for illusions sounds If you killed an illusion, you get a money(which is an illusion). I'd like that | ||
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nojok
France15846 Posts
On August 17 2013 16:12 Paperplane wrote: I usually queue RD/SD because I like playing different heroes anyway and maybe it's just me but I feel like people playing those modes are a bit more laid back. Definitely, I also like AR for fun matches too. There are too many annoying people in the game already and it's worse in AP. I also think there are more losses at the end of selection screen in AP than in AR. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
why do people still think he needs nerfs, hes pretty perfect right now. He hasnt really been broken since the quelling blade bug imo. | ||
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
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Irratonalys
Germany902 Posts
Wow are people still so salty over PL that months after he was powerful people still whine. Bounties on illusions would completely destroy an already fine hero. Illusions are fundamentally different from spiderlings so making a comparison in an attempt to prove a point is meaningless. how are they fundamently different then spiderlings? explain please. and this is not about pl anyway , for everything you kill in dota you get gold , why are illusions an exeption. so far ive heard no good argument. as well as completely nerf manta style depending on the amount of bounty it would just slightly alter an item that is very good atm and commonly build on 90% of lategame carries any illusion heroes. no it wouldent. imagine CK for example , he gets 1-3 illusions once every 2 1/2 minutes. even if your not carefully and feed them you would just give the enemys little gold. | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
On August 18 2013 01:00 Irratonalys wrote: how are they fundamently different then spiderlings? explain please. and this is not about pl anyway , for everything you kill in dota you get gold , why are illusions an exeption. so far ive heard no good argument. because it is a extremely significant nerf to a number of heroes, abilities, items, and even illusion runes, especially Phantom Lancer. This has been said by a number of people so far, if you havnt heard a good argument its because you havnt been reading. | ||
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Irratonalys
Germany902 Posts
This has been said by a number of people so far, if you havnt heard a good argument its because you havnt been reading. i ahve been reading and there has not been an argument exept "it would nerf pl" how would it nerf him? it would alter his playstyle ill agree , but it wouldent nerf him and you still havent explained how illusions like nagas illusions or pls , or cks are fundamentaly different from treants , spiderlings or familiars. all youve said is "their different , deal with it" | ||
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PassiveAce
United States18076 Posts
On August 18 2013 01:06 Irratonalys wrote: i ahve been reading and there has not been an argument exept "it would nerf pl" how would it nerf him? it would alter his playstyle ill agree , but it wouldent nerf him pce im out. nothing i can say here without getting in trouble | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On August 18 2013 01:06 Irratonalys wrote: i ahve been reading and there has not been an argument exept "it would nerf pl" how would it nerf him? it would alter his playstyle ill agree , but it wouldent nerf him and you still havent explained how illusions like nagas illusions or pls , or cks are fundamentaly different from treants , spiderlings or familiars. all youve said is "their different , deal with it" One scales with the hero and the other does not. Illusions are one of the few ways teams are able to break highground in situations where they have a large lead but are unable to force highground due to the way buybacks work and the other teams lineup. Illusions from things like Manta allow a team in such a situation to slowly chip away in such a situation. Any altering of illusions would drastically change this dynamic is potentially make it so teams in advantageous positions cannot close out games. In the example of PL he has no way to force a fight and generally 1v1 he loses to a lot of carries. His only real way to break highground is to siege with illusions. If you alter his ability to do this you make him unable to breach highground. This drastically changes his power and since he is currently in a balance state it would completely remove him from the equation. Really don't want to see a repeat of Lycan/morph | ||
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Irratonalys
Germany902 Posts
One scales with the hero and the other does not. yes , thats what im saying the bounty of them needs to scale as well, in the begining to mid game it would be small , an almost insignificant number, while scaling up into late game. basing it on the heros net worth as ive suggested. Illusions are one of the few ways teams are able to break highground in situations where they have a large lead but are unable to force highground due to the way buybacks work and the other teams lineup. Illusions from things like Manta allow a team in such a situation to slowly chip away in such a situation. Any altering of illusions would drastically change this dynamic is potentially make it so teams in advantageous positions cannot close out games. but isent it a problem that an overwhelming percentage of dotagames are one team gaining a little advantage which just builds up upon and with almost no chance for comeback? im not saying it should be easy to comeback if your at a diadvantage , but the numbers just show that its almost impossible at the moment. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On August 18 2013 01:12 Irratonalys wrote: yes , thats what im saying the bounty of them needs to scale as well, in the begining to mid game it would be small , an almost insignificant number, while scaling up into late game. basing it on the heros net worth as ive suggested. Read the rest. That would make illusion heroes absolutely pointless to pick and remove manta from the game. | ||
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Irratonalys
Germany902 Posts
Read the rest. That would make illusion heroes absolutely pointless to pick and remove manta from the game. i am forced to ask, do you not read what i write at all? it wouldent remove manta , it would slightly decrease the utility of an extremly powerfull item. and illusion heros wouldent be pointless , they would just have to play more carefull, and require more skill. Is Visage a pointless hero at the moment? | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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Irratonalys
Germany902 Posts
Visage isn't used to break highground. Visage familiars also don't scale with items. Visage familiars aren't time limited. Visage familiars have an active ability. It would remove mantas ability to siege highground. No "skill" gets around that fact. it wouldent remove mantas ability to break highground. lets say the bounty for manta illusions is 15 gold. your paying 30 gold once every minute for towerdamage that incurse no risk to your heroes. doesent sound gamebreaking to me. it actually sounds fair. | ||
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