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On August 17 2013 10:28 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 10:18 Shaella wrote:
I highly disagree with phase/drums, thats like saying GO PHASE DRUMS ON ANTIMAGE BEFORE BFURY
Phase+Drum on Anti-mage is actually a pretty good adaptation to certain games that don't allow you to farm Battle Fury straight-up. 90% of time in pubs it simply does not make sense to play a farm-oriented build that you would see in a competitive game. You generally have to help your team create advantage before you can settle back into a farming-oriented tempo. Otherwise you're basically relying on your teammates to make space for you, which most pub teams don't do very well.
Usually, people just go Treads->Bfury in that situation.
The advantage of pubs is that your OPPONENTS are also really uncoordinated, meaning that if your team is making noise across the map, the other team won't recognize you as a threat, and they're also less likely to gank you with enough force to kill you before you can blink into trees and TP. That's obviously not as good as 15min uncontested safelane farm, but it's still enough to get you a pre-20min Bfury, which is fine in pubs. If the other team is balling out of control hard enough that you can't make that mark, then you wouldn't have won a competitive match either.
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United States47024 Posts
It takes less coordination to steamroll towers 5v4 than it does to stall/play damage control 4v5.
The thing is, getting to Battle Fury is just the BEGINNING for you as Anti-mage. You still can only farm when you have Battle Fury. You can split-push when you have Manta. You can finally fight with your BKB or Heart.
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5 man dota doesn't require much coordination in pubs, lol.
Playing with one less hero against 5 man dota on the other hand does.
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idk, most pubs don't know how to push
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United States47024 Posts
The point is that the outcome of the game is not under your control. Because the only thing you can do is try and farm for those items and create some pressure once you have Manta. You are not actively directing the outcome of the game, which is why it's a poor gameplan. Yes you will win some games with it, but those won games will have very little to do with you actually doing something well.
Yes you will win games because the enemy team doesn't know how to push. But again, those will be games won because your enemies fucked up. Not because you played well.
NOTE: I'm not going and suggesting that people should play Phase+Drum Anti-mage in their pub games. Personally I instantly repick if I ever get that hero because of how poor his early-midgame influence is. With Tiny, the hero can be played to have an ENORMOUS impact on the early game. If you are confident in your ability to leverage that, you will win games by helping your team snowballing the game more often than you would just gambling on your team being able 4v5/the enemy team being bad at pushing an advantage.
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I don't know what pubs you're playing then, over here in the european servers 5-man doto with people just going for kills and towers is what i encounter in the vast majority of my games. If i try to pick a carry and sit back and farm i lose much more than i win.
If i were to just rush aghs on tiny and farm i doubt i'd win as much with him as i do.
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United States47024 Posts
Plus the other thing is if your hero has a choice between killing heroes and killing creeps, why would you ever play the farm build? Killing heroes is way more fun.
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Are everyone who's not stacking using solo queue option? I've heard mixed opinions about it. Apparently broken matchmaking...
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On August 17 2013 10:37 TheYango wrote:
It takes less coordination to steamroll towers 5v4 than it does to stall/play damage control 4v5.
The thing is, getting to Battle Fury is just the BEGINNING for you as Anti-mage. You still can only farm when you have Battle Fury. You can split-push when you have Manta. You can finally fight with your BKB or Heart.
I'm not saying it's outright BETTER playing in pubs. I'm saying that they have their own advantages for the Antimage player. Unfortunately, whether or not any of that advantage comes into play is mostly up to the other team to decide.
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On August 17 2013 10:49 trinxified wrote:
Are everyone who's not stacking using solo queue option? I've heard mixed opinions about it. Apparently broken matchmaking...
It's equally crappy. The matchmaking is worse, the not playing against stacks is better.
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On August 17 2013 10:49 trinxified wrote:
Are everyone who's not stacking using solo queue option? I've heard mixed opinions about it. Apparently broken matchmaking...
I just play CM. It's nice because it weeds out a lot of players I'd rather not mix with.
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On August 17 2013 10:54 Acritter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 10:49 trinxified wrote:
Are everyone who's not stacking using solo queue option? I've heard mixed opinions about it. Apparently broken matchmaking... I just play CM. It's nice because it weeds out a lot of players I'd rather not mix with.
wait, u only play captains mode pub??
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Pushing down towers i find way more reliable than getting kills for winning games, and grabbing a few aggresive jungle wards(even as a solo offlane that i usually play) helps win games, cause people just seem to get more confident and make less stupid mistakes, when they have a tower to run away too.
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On August 17 2013 10:18 EnumaAvalon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 10:05 trinxified wrote:
How do you guys build carry Tiny? Rush to Agh's, then Treads, Manta Style, AC/BKB? Scepter acts like the all amazing battlefury on AM, only better and more expensive. It gives you so much to work on and allows faster farming without having to use mana. Treads into yasha then BKB is usually safe but you can go greedy if your enemy is aiming for lategame and go straight from Yasha to AC then Manta.
scepter is cheaper than bfury lol
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Whenever I play AM. I always lose.
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On August 17 2013 11:11 teddyoojo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 10:54 Acritter wrote:On August 17 2013 10:49 trinxified wrote:
Are everyone who's not stacking using solo queue option? I've heard mixed opinions about it. Apparently broken matchmaking... I just play CM. It's nice because it weeds out a lot of players I'd rather not mix with. wait, u only play captains mode pub??
Yeah. On US East, at least, it's filled with generally nice and respectful people who know what they're doing. I've had a couple cases of Second Pick Lion, but for the most part it's much more enjoyable than AP.
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Lalalaland34507 Posts
What's wrong with second pick Lion?
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On August 17 2013 12:22 Firebolt145 wrote:
What's wrong with second pick Lion?
Lion is the king of the jungle and should be first pick.
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On August 17 2013 12:36 PrinceXizor wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 12:22 Firebolt145 wrote:
What's wrong with second pick Lion? Lion is the king of the jungle and should be first pick.
Are you willing to back that up in a grudge match?
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On August 17 2013 12:40 Blitzkrieg0 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 17 2013 12:36 PrinceXizor wrote:On August 17 2013 12:22 Firebolt145 wrote:
What's wrong with second pick Lion? Lion is the king of the jungle and should be first pick. Are you willing to back that up in a grudge match?
lol. 1v1 me in lion king watching lessgo
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