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On August 16 2013 07:04 Najda wrote:
He's a good pub snowball hero because of his ult and the general lack of coordination, and aghs helps with exactly that. It's also nice because it extends the time you are invulnerable which helps when you are behind. Obviously pro games are different, but for pubs I really like aghs.
From what I've noticed, most jugg pros build aghs these days.
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No, he pushes because of that healing ward essentially giving your team another Mekansm at that stage. Nobody is terrified of a crappy ultimate that does no damage because your +damage is probably only coming from Phase at that point, maybe Agi Band and of course from the Aghs. Not a whole lot, a Meka would essentially blunt a good part of that damage. So you have a glorified Lich ultimate where the other team actually wants to spread it.
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Not saying Aghs isn't viable, but it's nowhere as a big of a deal as people are making it out of to be. Pretty average item for the price point.
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On August 16 2013 07:05 Comeh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 07:04 Najda wrote:
He's a good pub snowball hero because of his ult and the general lack of coordination, and aghs helps with exactly that. It's also nice because it extends the time you are invulnerable which helps when you are behind. Obviously pro games are different, but for pubs I really like aghs. From what I've noticed, most jugg pros build aghs these days.
after drums ofc and mostly even after yaha/manta.
with jugg you want to rax before 20 min, no need for an aghs that fast.
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On August 16 2013 07:07 fleeze wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 07:05 Comeh wrote:On August 16 2013 07:04 Najda wrote:
He's a good pub snowball hero because of his ult and the general lack of coordination, and aghs helps with exactly that. It's also nice because it extends the time you are invulnerable which helps when you are behind. Obviously pro games are different, but for pubs I really like aghs. From what I've noticed, most jugg pros build aghs these days. after drums ofc and mostly even after yaha/manta. with jugg you want to rax before 20 min, no need for an aghs that fast.
I've never seen a pro get aghs after a manta. They will always build aghs first, from what I've noticed, or not build aghs at all.
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Jugg has an interesting place. He's difficult to gank, like luna, but has some awesome lane presence. He scales alright and healing ward is op for pushing.
Mid game-push centric teams definitely have a place for him, but right now they are too easy to stop. Doing so in a pub is a surefire way to make people go on tilt and throw the game though, as having 6 towers to 0 is usually when people give up.
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You don't get aghs because it's great on yurnero, you get it for fun. It's far from the best item to build on him, either as a 6th item or first, but you don't care about that if you go aghs. It's all about the one shot solo kills.
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On August 16 2013 07:07 Comeh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 07:07 fleeze wrote:On August 16 2013 07:05 Comeh wrote:On August 16 2013 07:04 Najda wrote:
He's a good pub snowball hero because of his ult and the general lack of coordination, and aghs helps with exactly that. It's also nice because it extends the time you are invulnerable which helps when you are behind. Obviously pro games are different, but for pubs I really like aghs. From what I've noticed, most jugg pros build aghs these days. after drums ofc and mostly even after yaha/manta. with jugg you want to rax before 20 min, no need for an aghs that fast. I've never seen a pro get aghs after a manta. They will always build aghs first, from what I've noticed.
true, mostly it's yasha and i forgot about vlads which also helps pushing.
just looked up datdota and drums is the first item 304 times, aghs 9 times... though it tends to get build later.
but there aren't even that many aghs games (99) compared to yasha (206) or manta (106).
i guess because the games finish before there is a chance to get it. which is the reason you pick jugg. to push faster with more sustain through healing ward.
edit: aghs first has 33% winrate btw.. compared to 51% drums
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wasn't jugg fairly popular for a little while a few months ago? and most games he'd get phase drums aghs? i seem to recall atleast 5-6 games with a few teams all going aghs fairly fast
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you get aghs on him because it helps you do more damage, because basically all of Jugg's damage in a teamfight is from omni
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On August 16 2013 07:36 Makenshi wrote:
wasn't jugg fairly popular for a little while a few months ago? and most games he'd get phase drums aghs? i seem to recall atleast 5-6 games with a few teams all going aghs fairly fast
healing ward with lone druid deathball pushes was very strong
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What's the best IHL to start out with? 2000 hours played in Dota 2 and more in Wc3 so I am not awful at the same time I'm not great, full game knowledge though. I know of IXDL-O but I heard that has pretty much died off. Is the TLIH any good?
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Watching merlini stream while he listens to Pachelbel's Canon in D is so soothing.
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Bladefury needs to start destroying trees. I think it will help his case.
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That's be crazy, spin though any forest anywhere.
Although it would make his phrase "Mow you down!" and "Mown-ed!" more accurate i guess.
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On August 16 2013 08:12 Esoterikk wrote:
What's the best IHL to start out with? 2000 hours played in Dota 2 and more in Wc3 so I am not awful at the same time I'm not great, full game knowledge though. I know of IXDL-O but I heard that has pretty much died off. Is the TLIH any good?
IXDL-O from what I hear is worse than pubs. IXDL invite on the other hand is fairly decent in terms of skill (NA standards of skill), but everyone is a rager/dick. TLIH is really fun just to hang out with people in the TL dota 2 community, and the games can be fun, but it's not actually an IHL. Anyone can play and there are no rankings, so you really aren't going to become a pro from playing that.
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On August 16 2013 08:34 TheEmulator wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 08:12 Esoterikk wrote:
What's the best IHL to start out with? 2000 hours played in Dota 2 and more in Wc3 so I am not awful at the same time I'm not great, full game knowledge though. I know of IXDL-O but I heard that has pretty much died off. Is the TLIH any good? IXDL-O from what I hear is worse than pubs. IXDL invite on the other hand is fairly decent in terms of skill (NA standards of skill), but everyone is a rager/dick. TLIH is really fun just to hang out with people in the TL dota 2 community, and the games can be fun, but it's not actually an IHL. Anyone can play and there are no rankings, so you really aren't going to become a pro from playing that.
Just looking for more serious competitive environment to be honest, a place I can play with people who want to play legit captains mode games.
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On August 16 2013 08:38 Esoterikk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 08:34 TheEmulator wrote:On August 16 2013 08:12 Esoterikk wrote:
What's the best IHL to start out with? 2000 hours played in Dota 2 and more in Wc3 so I am not awful at the same time I'm not great, full game knowledge though. I know of IXDL-O but I heard that has pretty much died off. Is the TLIH any good? IXDL-O from what I hear is worse than pubs. IXDL invite on the other hand is fairly decent in terms of skill (NA standards of skill), but everyone is a rager/dick. TLIH is really fun just to hang out with people in the TL dota 2 community, and the games can be fun, but it's not actually an IHL. Anyone can play and there are no rankings, so you really aren't going to become a pro from playing that. Just looking for more serious competitive environment to be honest, a place I can play with people who want to play legit captains mode games.
TLIH would be fine then. The skill differential can be quite large at times, but they play CM and the drafts are usually somewhat competitive.
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I dont know if tlih is the right place if your looking for a competitive environment.
Dont get me wrong i love tlih but its not really a high skill inhouse by any stretch, and it sounds like thats what hes looking for.
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On August 16 2013 08:12 Esoterikk wrote:
What's the best IHL to start out with? 2000 hours played in Dota 2 and more in Wc3 so I am not awful at the same time I'm not great, full game knowledge though. I know of IXDL-O but I heard that has pretty much died off. Is the TLIH any good?
Mind elaborate on what you mean with "full game knowledge"?
For me game knowledge is about the strategy and I am pretty sure Puppey understands this game better than you...
So I guess we have different views on what game knowledge is?
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On August 16 2013 08:53 DrPandaPhD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 08:12 Esoterikk wrote:
What's the best IHL to start out with? 2000 hours played in Dota 2 and more in Wc3 so I am not awful at the same time I'm not great, full game knowledge though. I know of IXDL-O but I heard that has pretty much died off. Is the TLIH any good? Mind elaborate on what you mean with "full game knowledge"? For me game knowledge is about the strategy and I am pretty sure Puppey understands this game better than you... So I guess we have different views on what game knowledge is?
Full game knowledge means I understand what every hero does and how they do it, general mechanics like ward spots/rune times/pull times etc, essentially just a full understand of all the basic mechanics. Game knowledge is a pretty subjective term so I wouldn't read to much into it.
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