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On August 16 2013 08:53 DrPandaPhD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 08:12 Esoterikk wrote:
What's the best IHL to start out with? 2000 hours played in Dota 2 and more in Wc3 so I am not awful at the same time I'm not great, full game knowledge though. I know of IXDL-O but I heard that has pretty much died off. Is the TLIH any good? Mind elaborate on what you mean with "full game knowledge"? For me game knowledge is about the strategy and I am pretty sure Puppey understands this game better than you... So I guess we have different views on what game knowledge is?
Oh come on, he has 2000+hours played, you don't need to question what he means by game knowledge.
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I always build phase > drums > aghs on Jugg and it worked well for me , 81% win ratio with Jugg.
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On August 16 2013 09:11 ReignSupreme. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 08:53 DrPandaPhD wrote:On August 16 2013 08:12 Esoterikk wrote:
What's the best IHL to start out with? 2000 hours played in Dota 2 and more in Wc3 so I am not awful at the same time I'm not great, full game knowledge though. I know of IXDL-O but I heard that has pretty much died off. Is the TLIH any good? Mind elaborate on what you mean with "full game knowledge"? For me game knowledge is about the strategy and I am pretty sure Puppey understands this game better than you... So I guess we have different views on what game knowledge is? Oh come on, he has 2000+hours played, you don't need to question what he means by game knowledge.
What? Me and him obviously had different opinions on what game knowledge ment, which lead to a misunderstanding. So I asked him what it was in his opinion. How else am I going to understand what he ment if I don't ask him? I thought this was the whole purpose of a question..
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On August 16 2013 09:51 DrPandaPhD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 09:11 ReignSupreme. wrote:On August 16 2013 08:53 DrPandaPhD wrote:On August 16 2013 08:12 Esoterikk wrote:
What's the best IHL to start out with? 2000 hours played in Dota 2 and more in Wc3 so I am not awful at the same time I'm not great, full game knowledge though. I know of IXDL-O but I heard that has pretty much died off. Is the TLIH any good? Mind elaborate on what you mean with "full game knowledge"? For me game knowledge is about the strategy and I am pretty sure Puppey understands this game better than you... So I guess we have different views on what game knowledge is? Oh come on, he has 2000+hours played, you don't need to question what he means by game knowledge. What? Me and him obviously had different opinions on what game knowledge ment, which lead to a misunderstanding. So I asked him what it was in his opinion. How else am I going to understand what he ment if I don't ask him? I thought this was the whole purpose of a question..
To put it bluntly, it was a stupid question.
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On August 16 2013 09:58 ReignSupreme. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 09:51 DrPandaPhD wrote:On August 16 2013 09:11 ReignSupreme. wrote:On August 16 2013 08:53 DrPandaPhD wrote:On August 16 2013 08:12 Esoterikk wrote:
What's the best IHL to start out with? 2000 hours played in Dota 2 and more in Wc3 so I am not awful at the same time I'm not great, full game knowledge though. I know of IXDL-O but I heard that has pretty much died off. Is the TLIH any good? Mind elaborate on what you mean with "full game knowledge"? For me game knowledge is about the strategy and I am pretty sure Puppey understands this game better than you... So I guess we have different views on what game knowledge is? Oh come on, he has 2000+hours played, you don't need to question what he means by game knowledge. What? Me and him obviously had different opinions on what game knowledge ment, which lead to a misunderstanding. So I asked him what it was in his opinion. How else am I going to understand what he ment if I don't ask him? I thought this was the whole purpose of a question.. To put it bluntly, it was a stupid question.
...grudgematch...
psssst grudgematch...
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On August 16 2013 09:58 ReignSupreme. wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 09:51 DrPandaPhD wrote:On August 16 2013 09:11 ReignSupreme. wrote:On August 16 2013 08:53 DrPandaPhD wrote:On August 16 2013 08:12 Esoterikk wrote:
What's the best IHL to start out with? 2000 hours played in Dota 2 and more in Wc3 so I am not awful at the same time I'm not great, full game knowledge though. I know of IXDL-O but I heard that has pretty much died off. Is the TLIH any good? Mind elaborate on what you mean with "full game knowledge"? For me game knowledge is about the strategy and I am pretty sure Puppey understands this game better than you... So I guess we have different views on what game knowledge is? Oh come on, he has 2000+hours played, you don't need to question what he means by game knowledge. What? Me and him obviously had different opinions on what game knowledge ment, which lead to a misunderstanding. So I asked him what it was in his opinion. How else am I going to understand what he ment if I don't ask him? I thought this was the whole purpose of a question.. To put it bluntly, it was a stupid question.
I hope you realize that not everyone are native english speakers. My question made it clear for me what he ment so I don't think it was a stupid question..
Sorry for trying to understand what people mean instead of just judging them based on my own assumptions.
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On August 16 2013 10:12 DrPandaPhD wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 09:58 ReignSupreme. wrote:On August 16 2013 09:51 DrPandaPhD wrote:On August 16 2013 09:11 ReignSupreme. wrote:On August 16 2013 08:53 DrPandaPhD wrote:On August 16 2013 08:12 Esoterikk wrote:
What's the best IHL to start out with? 2000 hours played in Dota 2 and more in Wc3 so I am not awful at the same time I'm not great, full game knowledge though. I know of IXDL-O but I heard that has pretty much died off. Is the TLIH any good? Mind elaborate on what you mean with "full game knowledge"? For me game knowledge is about the strategy and I am pretty sure Puppey understands this game better than you... So I guess we have different views on what game knowledge is? Oh come on, he has 2000+hours played, you don't need to question what he means by game knowledge. What? Me and him obviously had different opinions on what game knowledge ment, which lead to a misunderstanding. So I asked him what it was in his opinion. How else am I going to understand what he ment if I don't ask him? I thought this was the whole purpose of a question.. To put it bluntly, it was a stupid question. I hope you realize that not everyone are native english speakers. My question made it clear for me what he ment so I don't think it was a stupid question.. Sorry for trying to understand what people mean instead of just judging them based on my own assumptions.
lol, don't worry. English is my native language and I didn't quite understand what he meant by "full game knowledge" either. And I thought your question was completely acceptable in that situation.
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United States47024 Posts
On August 16 2013 09:38 SkelA wrote:
I always build phase > drums > aghs on Jugg and it worked well for me , 81% win ratio with Jugg.
Generally speaking if you are saying "I always get X on Y hero" you're not thinking enough about your item choices.
And yes, for people who were trying to be snarky earlier, this is true with regard to BF/Manta on Antimage as well. You won't ever see it in pro games because no pro team would every draft or play that hero into a situation where he has to build something other than BF->Manta->BKB or Heart, but this is simply not true in pubs. People pick shitty things and play stupidly. You could obviously chalk those up as acceptable losses, but quite a few of them are probably actually winnable if you make adjustments to your game plan and change your item progression based on that. If you're not thinking about this every game, then it's part of your game that you're simply not improving yourself at when you could.
AM actually has quite a fair bit of depth when it comes to item selection. It's just everyone thinks they're Burning and beelines BF->Manta->Heart/BKB which does absolutely nothing for your team until your 3rd major item. This actually tends to be a terrible game plan because go figure, going a cookie-cutter build that has zero impact on the game until ~20 minutes AT LEAST (realistically much longer in many games when your farm is contested) tends to be a game-losing plan when pubs snowball pretty damn hard in the first 20 minutes.
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On August 16 2013 10:33 TheYango wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 09:38 SkelA wrote:
I always build phase > drums > aghs on Jugg and it worked well for me , 81% win ratio with Jugg. Generally speaking if you are saying "I always get X on Y hero" you're not thinking enough about your item choices. And yes, for people who were trying to be snarky earlier, this is true with regard to BF/Manta on Antimage as well. You won't ever see it in pro games because no pro team would every draft or play that hero into a situation where he has to build something other than BF->Manta->BKB or Heart, but this is simply not true in pubs. People pick shitty things and play stupidly. You could obviously chalk those up as acceptable losses, but quite a few of them are probably actually winnable if you make adjustments to your game plan and change your item progression based on that. If you're not thinking about this every game, then it's part of your game that you're simply not improving yourself at when you could. AM actually has quite a fair bit of depth when it comes to item selection. It's just everyone thinks they're Burning and beelines BF->Manta->Heart/BKB which does absolutely nothing for your team until your 3rd major item. This actually tends to be a terrible game plan because go figure, going a cookie-cutter build that has zero impact on the game until ~20 minutes AT LEAST (realistically much longer in many games when your farm is contested) tends to be a game-losing plan when pubs snowball pretty damn hard in the first 20 minutes.
Though if you don't go for a farming build, there's usually a better hero you could've picked over antimage.
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It's like when Dagon Lion first popped up in Dota 1 competitive, Smile got Dagon on Lion in like 10 minutes I want to say (very good by that era's level of play), and proceeded to roll face. Then of course, pubs tried it, got it closer to like 25 minutes and wondered why they floundered.
Think about the situation you are in, and what you are capable of. Not just copy what players better than you try to do. Adaptability goes a long way. Like game 5 of TI3 GFs was a prime example of s4 and Alliance realizing that instead of forcing what he/they can no longer do and still trying to find ways to contribute/win.
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This is why a good portion of players never improve even if they play another 5000 games, they keep trying to theorycraft. Sure in theory if you aren't going a farming build on AM, it's not as good, but really now, is that what you are going to chalk up your possibly avoidable incoming loss to? What you need to do in a game isn't the same as what you should be doing in a game.
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Does anyone know if any tournaments have been announced for post ti yet? Or are we going to have a month or so off again? I was hoping that dota had become large enough so that the off season type deal wasn't necessary. I guess event organizers are waiting for the team shuffles to settle?
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On August 16 2013 10:56 Pseudoku wrote:
Though if you don't go for a farming build, there's usually a better hero you could've picked over antimage.
Yes, but you can't change what hero you're playing 15 minutes into the game.
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Random AM, get boots and OOV, roam with blink and gank suckers.
Get dolla, carry game.
Applies to most melee heroes, it's so much fun roaming with boots+OOV.
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People in this game are intense. My 2nd day of playing dota, going through training and learning the characters in the Limited Heroes selection game mode and people take it quite seriously :O of course I've seen some fairly high level accounts playing in it which is prob why. I think I'm doing pretty well so far! Watching some dota tournaments has helped. Can't say the same for some of my teammates/opponents though ;x I've already seen some people legitimately suck then get reported for intentional feeding. It's cutthroat but I love it :D
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On August 16 2013 11:17 Tachion wrote:
People in this game are intense. My 2nd day of playing dota, going through training and learning the characters in the Limited Heroes selection game mode and people take it quite seriously :O of course I've seen some fairly high level accounts playing in it which is prob why. I think I'm doing pretty well so far! Watching some dota tournaments has helped. Can't say the same for some of my teammates/opponents though ;x I've already seen some people legitimately suck then get reported for intentional feeding. It's cutthroat but I love it :D
All I can say is, keep at it!
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On August 16 2013 11:17 Tachion wrote:
People in this game are intense. My 2nd day of playing dota, going through training and learning the characters in the Limited Heroes selection game mode and people take it quite seriously :O of course I've seen some fairly high level accounts playing in it which is prob why. I think I'm doing pretty well so far! Watching some dota tournaments has helped. Can't say the same for some of my teammates/opponents though ;x I've already seen some people legitimately suck then get reported for intentional feeding. It's cutthroat but I love it :D
glad you have a thick skin to hang in with the community! The game got really fun when I found some friends to play with and started not giving a shit what pubs say lol
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On August 16 2013 10:28 TheEmulator wrote:Show nested quote +On August 16 2013 10:12 DrPandaPhD wrote:On August 16 2013 09:58 ReignSupreme. wrote:On August 16 2013 09:51 DrPandaPhD wrote:On August 16 2013 09:11 ReignSupreme. wrote:On August 16 2013 08:53 DrPandaPhD wrote:On August 16 2013 08:12 Esoterikk wrote:
What's the best IHL to start out with? 2000 hours played in Dota 2 and more in Wc3 so I am not awful at the same time I'm not great, full game knowledge though. I know of IXDL-O but I heard that has pretty much died off. Is the TLIH any good? Mind elaborate on what you mean with "full game knowledge"? For me game knowledge is about the strategy and I am pretty sure Puppey understands this game better than you... So I guess we have different views on what game knowledge is? Oh come on, he has 2000+hours played, you don't need to question what he means by game knowledge. What? Me and him obviously had different opinions on what game knowledge ment, which lead to a misunderstanding. So I asked him what it was in his opinion. How else am I going to understand what he ment if I don't ask him? I thought this was the whole purpose of a question.. To put it bluntly, it was a stupid question. I hope you realize that not everyone are native english speakers. My question made it clear for me what he ment so I don't think it was a stupid question.. Sorry for trying to understand what people mean instead of just judging them based on my own assumptions. lol, don't worry. English is my native language and I didn't quite understand what he meant by "full game knowledge" either. And I thought your question was completely acceptable in that situation.
Yeah, I probably could have worded it better, it made sense in my head at the time 
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Yo are player cards still dropping?
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On August 16 2013 11:17 Tachion wrote:
People in this game are intense. My 2nd day of playing dota, going through training and learning the characters in the Limited Heroes selection game mode and people take it quite seriously :O of course I've seen some fairly high level accounts playing in it which is prob why. I think I'm doing pretty well so far! Watching some dota tournaments has helped. Can't say the same for some of my teammates/opponents though ;x I've already seen some people legitimately suck then get reported for intentional feeding. It's cutthroat but I love it :D
keep it real.
and keep in mind limited heroes is for people looking for casual matches
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On August 16 2013 12:21 ahswtini wrote:
Yo are player cards still dropping?
At least last night they did for me.
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