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hideo
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1641 Posts
August 14 2013 23:27 GMT
#71801
Xin with like 3xbfury, 2xrapier, buriza. Group up an entire enemy team of infinite HP pudges with like a thousand spiderlings.
Attakijing
Profile Joined June 2011
United States693 Posts
August 14 2013 23:28 GMT
#71802
Can anyone tell me what some of the shortest games of pro dota 2 are? I looked around for a list but couldn't find it
Saryph
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1955 Posts
August 14 2013 23:32 GMT
#71803
Wasn't there a game where PGG's team gave up less than 10 mins in? Also game one of the Grand Finals last week was pretty short.
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
August 14 2013 23:33 GMT
#71804
eluv
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1251 Posts
August 14 2013 23:33 GMT
#71805
On August 15 2013 08:15 CustomKal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 07:36 teddyoojo wrote:
On August 15 2013 05:46 Yoshi- wrote:
On August 15 2013 05:45 teddyoojo wrote:
On August 15 2013 05:35 Yoshi- wrote:
Refresher warlock with 2 fatal bonds on heroes that all have zero int(stolen by silencer), against an OD with with max int possible casting its ult on all of them

That should be highest damage possible.

pudge wins highest hp and highest dmg as both is infinite


No huskar wins highest damage as he can easily deal more than 100% of your hp.
But we excluded everything that could deal infinite.

so u tell me huskar does more than infinite dmg?



what about a 4 bfury daedalus rapier sven on fatal bounded enemies who are all on 1 point


Believe it or not you can create numbers greater than infinity, since infinity is just a concept. Easiest example is infinity x 2.

Harder example is that a statement such as D is in the domain of all real numbers and E is in the domain of all natural numbers. Both are infinite, yet D > E because it takes into account real numbers (whole numbers, rational numbers, irrational numbers), and E only takes into account whole numbers. Thus for every two whole numbers there are infinite real numbers in between them. Making D infinity * infinity, and E only infinity (in this example that is).

Thus if pudge is doing infinity, and huskar is doing more than twice that amount, huskar is still doing more damage.

Just stop, please. You said about two correct things there - infinity is not a number, and there are more real numbers than natural numbers, even though both sets are infinite. Then right after talking about infinity not being a number, you start multiplying it by things. You also justify the idea that there are more real numbers than whole numbers by pointing out that there are infinite reals between every pair of whole numbers. While that's true, there are also infinite rationals between every pair of whole numbers, but those two sets (rationals and whole numbers) are the same cardinality - the same 'degree of infinity'. For that matter, there are infinite rationals between every pair of reals, and there are 'fewer' rationals than reals, so, yeah.

/rant

Regardless of how this debate works out, for me the answer is an agh's Lina Ult. The damage depending on outside factors like enemy health, or based on stat stealing, just feel a bit silly to me, and using a channel is just cheating. So my only real contribution is to remember to add the mask of madness debuff to the target.
"Yes I fucked my way to the GSL partnership" - Sundance
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
August 14 2013 23:43 GMT
#71806
eternalenvy is such a predictable tinker player my god
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
August 14 2013 23:58 GMT
#71807
All this large damage talk.. where is techies at?! One explosion of maximum number of agh remotes will give you 36,000 damage apparently.
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
Incze
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Romania2058 Posts
August 14 2013 23:59 GMT
#71808
Wouldn't omnislash do a huge amount of damage with enough attack speed?
Especially with a battlefury against stacked opponents with max -armor and maybe orchid/sd ulti, too.
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hmsrenown
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1263 Posts
August 15 2013 00:13 GMT
#71809
Bloody hell...Sophos AV is constantly flagging my dota executable as "ransomware"
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
August 15 2013 00:17 GMT
#71810
On August 15 2013 08:58 JeeJee wrote:
All this large damage talk.. where is techies at?! One explosion of maximum number of agh remotes will give you 36,000 damage apparently.

we didnt reach 3.2million so too bad for now
:)
GentleDrill
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom672 Posts
August 15 2013 00:21 GMT
#71811
A full duration level 4 Sandstorm channel would do 6400 damage.

Also some clarification on the whole infinity thing I guess.
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
August 15 2013 00:35 GMT
#71812
On August 15 2013 09:21 GentleDrill wrote:
A full duration level 4 Sandstorm channel would do 6400 damage.

Also some clarification on the whole infinity thing I guess.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elvOZm0d4H0


ahaha I was thinking of linking that same video.
Mithhaike
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore2759 Posts
August 15 2013 01:12 GMT
#71813
A single cast of damage spell, the highest MUST go to Axe. That spell alone does what, 99999 dmg or something?
Mew Mew Pew Pew
GentleDrill
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom672 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-15 01:22:43
August 15 2013 01:22 GMT
#71814
On August 15 2013 10:12 Mithhaike wrote:
A single cast of damage spell, the highest MUST go to Axe. That spell alone does what, 99999 dmg or something?


Sources differ on how the spell behaves in Dota 2.

According to PlayDota in Dota 1 the killing blow is 100 million physical damage. Liquipedia says the same thing. However, Dota 2 Wiki says it does "exactly the target's remaining health in unmitigable damage". It's been discussed in this thread a bit but nobody seems to be able to state conclusively how it works in Dota 2 (not that it actually matters...)

Also, Ice Blast's shatter according to PlayDota apparently also does 100 million physical damage, and Dota 2 Wiki says the same. But again I don't know if that's true.
icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
August 15 2013 01:27 GMT
#71815
hmm so Pudge in dota 1 can tank culling blade? awesome.
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rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-15 01:29:00
August 15 2013 01:28 GMT
#71816
On August 15 2013 10:27 icystorage wrote:
hmm so Pudge in dota 1 can tank culling blade? awesome.

you have to be under the threshold though, meaning you cant tank it (at least off the top of my head) but you can tank ice blast
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GentleDrill
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom672 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-15 01:42:09
August 15 2013 01:41 GMT
#71817
On August 15 2013 10:28 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 10:27 icystorage wrote:
hmm so Pudge in dota 1 can tank culling blade? awesome.

you have to be under the threshold though, meaning you cant tank it (at least off the top of my head) but you can tank ice blast


But can the Warcraft 3 engine (or, hell, the Dota 2 engine) even handle the billion-odd HP you'd need for that?
Mithhaike
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore2759 Posts
August 15 2013 01:42 GMT
#71818
On August 15 2013 10:22 GentleDrill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 10:12 Mithhaike wrote:
A single cast of damage spell, the highest MUST go to Axe. That spell alone does what, 99999 dmg or something?


Sources differ on how the spell behaves in Dota 2.

According to PlayDota in Dota 1 the killing blow is 100 million physical damage. Liquipedia says the same thing. However, Dota 2 Wiki says it does "exactly the target's remaining health in unmitigable damage". It's been discussed in this thread a bit but nobody seems to be able to state conclusively how it works in Dota 2 (not that it actually matters...)

Also, Ice Blast's shatter according to PlayDota apparently also does 100 million physical damage, and Dota 2 Wiki says the same. But again I don't know if that's true.

Thing is everything listed can be tanked by a dazzle shadow grave, except Culling Blade.
Mew Mew Pew Pew
CustomKal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada749 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-15 02:55:19
August 15 2013 01:45 GMT
#71819
On August 15 2013 08:33 eluv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 08:15 CustomKal wrote:
On August 15 2013 07:36 teddyoojo wrote:
On August 15 2013 05:46 Yoshi- wrote:
On August 15 2013 05:45 teddyoojo wrote:
On August 15 2013 05:35 Yoshi- wrote:
Refresher warlock with 2 fatal bonds on heroes that all have zero int(stolen by silencer), against an OD with with max int possible casting its ult on all of them

That should be highest damage possible.

pudge wins highest hp and highest dmg as both is infinite


No huskar wins highest damage as he can easily deal more than 100% of your hp.
But we excluded everything that could deal infinite.

so u tell me huskar does more than infinite dmg?



what about a 4 bfury daedalus rapier sven on fatal bounded enemies who are all on 1 point


Believe it or not you can create numbers greater than infinity, since infinity is just a concept. Easiest example is infinity x 2.

Harder example is that a statement such as D is in the domain of all real numbers and E is in the domain of all natural numbers. Both are infinite, yet D > E because it takes into account real numbers (whole numbers, rational numbers, irrational numbers), and E only takes into account whole numbers. Thus for every two whole numbers there are infinite real numbers in between them. Making D infinity * infinity, and E only infinity (in this example that is).

Thus if pudge is doing infinity, and huskar is doing more than twice that amount, huskar is still doing more damage.

Just stop, please. You said about two correct things there - infinity is not a number, and there are more real numbers than natural numbers, even though both sets are infinite. Then right after talking about infinity not being a number, you start multiplying it by things. You also justify the idea that there are more real numbers than whole numbers by pointing out that there are infinite reals between every pair of whole numbers. While that's true, there are also infinite rationals between every pair of whole numbers, but those two sets (rationals and whole numbers) are the same cardinality - the same 'degree of infinity'. For that matter, there are infinite rationals between every pair of reals, and there are 'fewer' rationals than reals, so, yeah.

/rant

Regardless of how this debate works out, for me the answer is an agh's Lina Ult. The damage depending on outside factors like enemy health, or based on stat stealing, just feel a bit silly to me, and using a channel is just cheating. So my only real contribution is to remember to add the mask of madness debuff to the target.


I was explaining that two different sets that are "infinite", one is still larger. Sorry its not 100% mathematically correct, but not everyone can understand unless you explain it this way. The point i was making that regardless of them both being infinite, one was still greater.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
August 15 2013 02:27 GMT
#71820
So have anyone brainstormed how to play viper this patch? I feel like the hero is just too underrated and have been picking it in pub occasionally and test out some corrosive skin build.
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