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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
August 05 2013 15:04 GMT
#70361
On August 06 2013 00:02 hifriend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2013 23:14 SKC wrote:
People forget that heroes like Leshrac and Tidehunter were picked in even more games than Morphling was, and several heroes were banned more often. What made Morph stand out was that he was always the key hero of the composition and almost always dominated the game. It's not the amount of picks or bans. That's not the case with Weaver, she is still a carry, so she is still somewhat in the spotlight, but she is not nearly as dominant as Morph was and she doesn't always have the same role.

Did morphling get severely nerfed since then? Or did teams just learn how to play against it? I haven't seen morphling picked more than 1-2 times since I started watching dota.

It was nerfed in just about every category. Probably had the biggest nerfs post TI2 for any hero.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
August 05 2013 15:04 GMT
#70362
On August 06 2013 00:02 hifriend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2013 23:14 SKC wrote:
People forget that heroes like Leshrac and Tidehunter were picked in even more games than Morphling was, and several heroes were banned more often. What made Morph stand out was that he was always the key hero of the composition and almost always dominated the game. It's not the amount of picks or bans. That's not the case with Weaver, she is still a carry, so she is still somewhat in the spotlight, but she is not nearly as dominant as Morph was and she doesn't always have the same role.

Did morphling get severely nerfed since then? Or did teams just learn how to play against it? I haven't seen morphling picked more than 1-2 times since I started watching dota.

Nerfed into the ground.

We now have the phrase "Get Morphlinged" when something is nerfed into obscurity, or is discussed about doing so. He's picked every once in awhile, but he really isn't anywhere as strong as he used to be.
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Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 15:07:25
August 05 2013 15:06 GMT
#70363

-Cast animation time increased from 0.3 to 0.45.
-Morph manacost increased from 20 to 30 mana per second.
-Base damage decreased by 6.
-Waveform AoE decreased from 255 to 200.
-Waveform no longer allows you to start attacking/casting before it is completed.


I mean seriously. Pls icefrog
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 15:10:43
August 05 2013 15:09 GMT
#70364
On August 06 2013 00:02 hifriend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 05 2013 23:14 SKC wrote:
People forget that heroes like Leshrac and Tidehunter were picked in even more games than Morphling was, and several heroes were banned more often. What made Morph stand out was that he was always the key hero of the composition and almost always dominated the game. It's not the amount of picks or bans. That's not the case with Weaver, she is still a carry, so she is still somewhat in the spotlight, but she is not nearly as dominant as Morph was and she doesn't always have the same role.

Did morphling get severely nerfed since then? Or did teams just learn how to play against it? I haven't seen morphling picked more than 1-2 times since I started watching dota.


Morphling got deleted from dota in the patch after TI2

On August 06 2013 00:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +

-Cast animation time increased from 0.3 to 0.45.
-Morph manacost increased from 20 to 30 mana per second.
-Base damage decreased by 6.
-Waveform AoE decreased from 255 to 200.
-Waveform no longer allows you to start attacking/casting before it is completed.


I mean seriously. Pls icefrog


You have to include the Eblade nerfs too:
- Ether Blast manacost increased from 50 to 150
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
August 05 2013 15:10 GMT
#70365
On August 06 2013 00:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:
Show nested quote +

-Cast animation time increased from 0.3 to 0.45.
-Morph manacost increased from 20 to 30 mana per second.
-Base damage decreased by 6.
-Waveform AoE decreased from 255 to 200.
-Waveform no longer allows you to start attacking/casting before it is completed.


I mean seriously. Pls icefrog

hahaha i forgot how brutal it was.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
August 05 2013 15:12 GMT
#70366
He went down like 15% in pub winrate too. From like 53% due to including mid-low level players to like 38% for a while.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 15:13:55
August 05 2013 15:13 GMT
#70367
On August 06 2013 00:10 PassiveAce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 00:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:

-Cast animation time increased from 0.3 to 0.45.
-Morph manacost increased from 20 to 30 mana per second.
-Base damage decreased by 6.
-Waveform AoE decreased from 255 to 200.
-Waveform no longer allows you to start attacking/casting before it is completed.


I mean seriously. Pls icefrog

hahaha i forgot how brutal it was.

Come on, didn't play Dota 2 at the time, even I knew Morphling was super silly. I remember watching TI2 and being like "why is this guy bad? Also why does he not seem to have to walk across the map? And why can he just blow someone up instantly and then maul everyone else"

I also loved the casters at the time "He is morphing strenght as fast as he can!!!!" when it happens at a set rate and requires you to press one button.
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Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 15:15:01
August 05 2013 15:14 GMT
#70368
On August 06 2013 00:12 Itsmedudeman wrote:
He went down like 15% in pub winrate too. From like 53% due to including mid-low level players to like 38% for a while.

Now he's kind of one of those heroes that you only play if you are much better than everyone else, enjoy losing, or you random him (in pubs).

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BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 15:16:25
August 05 2013 15:15 GMT
#70369
Icefrog just nerfed his "mid lane" abilities. Nothing too big, he is still one of the best late game carry. The only difference is that you just can't lane him mid anymore and autowin your lane with 3 rightclick + waveform.

On August 06 2013 00:14 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 00:12 Itsmedudeman wrote:
He went down like 15% in pub winrate too. From like 53% due to including mid-low level players to like 38% for a while.

Now he's kind of one of those heroes that you only play if you are much better than everyone else, enjoy losing, or you random him (in pubs).



LOL No. His pub winrate is low because people play him wrong.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 05 2013 15:16 GMT
#70370
On August 06 2013 00:13 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 00:10 PassiveAce wrote:
On August 06 2013 00:06 Itsmedudeman wrote:

-Cast animation time increased from 0.3 to 0.45.
-Morph manacost increased from 20 to 30 mana per second.
-Base damage decreased by 6.
-Waveform AoE decreased from 255 to 200.
-Waveform no longer allows you to start attacking/casting before it is completed.


I mean seriously. Pls icefrog

hahaha i forgot how brutal it was.

Come on, didn't play Dota 2 at the time, even I knew Morphling was super silly. I remember watching TI2 and being like "why is this guy bad? Also why does he not seem to have to walk across the map? And why can he just blow someone up instantly and then maul everyone else"

I also loved the casters at the time "He is morphing strenght as fast as he can!!!!" when it happens at a set rate and requires you to press one button.


Feel like the only change that needed to happen was working around morphing while stunned. Maybe make it a slower rate or disable it all together. Don't know why icefrog went and destroyed the hero.
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
August 05 2013 15:16 GMT
#70371
On August 06 2013 00:15 BlitzerSC wrote:
he is still one of the best late game carry.

This is a common misconception.
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BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 15:17:01
August 05 2013 15:16 GMT
#70372
It's the truth.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 05 2013 15:18 GMT
#70373
In this truth is Anti-mage one of the best late game carries too?
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 15:19:51
August 05 2013 15:19 GMT
#70374
AM is not one of the best late game carry because his ability to carry a game comes from being able to farm his "core items" faster then the enemy carry. AM gets owned by pretty much every other carry if they have equal farm in the late stage of the game.

I don't see what point you are trying to prove.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
August 05 2013 15:19 GMT
#70375
On August 06 2013 00:15 BlitzerSC wrote:
Icefrog just nerfed his "mid lane" abilities. Nothing too big, he is still one of the best late game carry. The only difference is that you just can't lane him mid anymore and autowin your lane with 3 rightclick + waveform.

Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 00:14 Comeh wrote:
On August 06 2013 00:12 Itsmedudeman wrote:
He went down like 15% in pub winrate too. From like 53% due to including mid-low level players to like 38% for a while.

Now he's kind of one of those heroes that you only play if you are much better than everyone else, enjoy losing, or you random him (in pubs).



LOL No. His pub winrate is low because people play him wrong.

He didn't "just" nerf his midlane abilities. Waveform and Mana cost changes affect his midgame quite a bit. He was also only picked after he got buffed again.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
August 05 2013 15:19 GMT
#70376
before you guys start arguing with actual facts and stuff, I think this should be settled 1v1 mid.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 15:20:29
August 05 2013 15:20 GMT
#70377
How could morph ever outcarry PL ?
cilinder007
Profile Joined August 2010
Slovenia7251 Posts
August 05 2013 15:20 GMT
#70378
On August 06 2013 00:15 BlitzerSC wrote:
Icefrog just nerfed his "mid lane" abilities. Nothing too big, he is still one of the best late game carry. The only difference is that you just can't lane him mid anymore and autowin your lane with 3 rightclick + waveform.

Show nested quote +
On August 06 2013 00:14 Comeh wrote:
On August 06 2013 00:12 Itsmedudeman wrote:
He went down like 15% in pub winrate too. From like 53% due to including mid-low level players to like 38% for a while.

Now he's kind of one of those heroes that you only play if you are much better than everyone else, enjoy losing, or you random him (in pubs).



LOL No. His pub winrate is low because people play him wrong.

he nerfed his getting to the lategame, which is what made him such a beast
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 15:27:18
August 05 2013 15:20 GMT
#70379
On August 06 2013 00:18 Numy wrote:
In this truth is Anti-mage one of the best late game carries too?

Antimage actually typically outcarries/deals well with morphling.

Morphling loses to quite a few of 1v1 carries, he doesn't have the teamfight killing abilities a Gyro or Spectre has, His EB loses a decent amount of effectiveness over time, he doesn't have as strong of a steroid skill as some heroes do (even though morph is strong, and replicate is pretty powerful too).

There's a lot of heroes that will beat morph if the game goes long enough.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-05 15:29:29
August 05 2013 15:28 GMT
#70380
On August 06 2013 00:20 zezamer wrote:
How could morph ever outcarry PL ?

Because PL doesn't do a ton of damage, he just seiges really well and is a dick. If Morphling has any AOE support, he can just blast down the illusions and kill PL with his bring right clicks. Plus a farmed morphling goes super fast.

On August 06 2013 00:16 BlitzerSC wrote:
It's the truth.


Much like Skytoss is amazing and Raven BC is amazing. But do we ever get their in a normal game.
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