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On July 16 2013 04:31 Testuser wrote:

He get's more than even the more popular? That doesn't make sense, man

On July 16 2013 05:29 tpmraven wrote:


such a stupid statement it hurts.

Even korean dota 2 players know that in order for dota 2 to thrive it needs to steal a large chunk of the korean LoL player/viewer base. We can pretend all we want that it isn't a competition, but at the end of the day that's exactly what it is. Riot knows this, so does valve, and so should you.

I am not saying that both games cant exist along side one another, but i am saying that in order for dota 2 to reach the level must of us hope for, it needs to be done by converting HoN/LoL/RTS/FPS gamers.

It is refreshing to know that the process is working and still growing, fans of other games are now becoming fans of dota 2, and we are seeing player streams that exceed 20k. last year that number would have been a pipe dream.

On July 16 2013 05:29 tpmraven wrote:


such a stupid statement it hurts.

Even korean dota 2 players know that in order for dota 2 to thrive it needs to steal a large chunk of the korean LoL player/viewer base. We can pretend all we want that it isn't a competition, but at the end of the day that's exactly what it is. Riot knows this, so does valve, and so should you.

I am not saying that both games cant exist along side one another, but i am saying that in order for dota 2 to reach the level must of us hope for, it needs to be done by converting HoN/LoL/RTS/FPS gamers.

It is refreshing to know that the process is working and still growing, fans of other games are now becoming fans of dota 2, and we are seeing player streams that exceed 20k. last year that number would have been a pipe dream.

On July 16 2013 05:26 ch33psh33p wrote:


Wat.

I dislike LoL, but to say they don't have personalities as big as Dendi is downright wrong.

The most popular LoL streamers pull 2 to 5 times the amount of viewers Dendi can hit as his peak.

On July 16 2013 05:19 jalstar wrote:
LoL doesn't have a Dendi, even SC2 never had someone who had Dendi's levels of simultaneous skill and popularity. He's really one of a kind in esports and probably my favorite stream to watch, even though I'm much less familiar with DotA than LoL and Sc2.

On July 16 2013 05:55 superstartran wrote:

And Xizor, lmao. LoL will always have a numbers advantage at least for the time being. Probably for awhile. They just have too much backing from Riot, while Valve has too much of a hands off approach. Plus you're only talking about Dendi; various other pros struggle to break 1k viewers at time let alone come anywhere near Dendi's numbers.

On July 16 2013 06:02 PrinceXizor wrote:

I'm not sure what you think i'm trying to say, but this response has nothing to do with it.

On July 16 2013 06:04 TheYango wrote:
But none of them have the level of skill in LoL comparable to Dendi's in DotA--that is, Dendi makes a bid for being best mid player in the world, when none of the players in contention for "best of X role in the world" in LoL are anywhere close to the top stream numbers. The most successful streamers by and large tend to be washed up NA "pros".

Any LoL streamer that has been that successful has done so whilst arguably making a sacrifice to their actual skill and improvement. Citing any successful NA streamer is affirmation of this given how NA teams' skill level plummeted compared to the rest of the world over the course of Season 2.

The closest player to achieving Dendi's kind of success in streaming without a sacrifice to his professional practice/level of play is Toyz, the mid player from the team that won Season 2, and even then it could be argued that his play in S3 also deteriorated quickly, after his streaming became popular.

On July 16 2013 06:05 superstartran wrote:
Yeah but it's pretty silly to argue that they don't have more viewers than Dendi

On July 16 2013 05:19 jalstar wrote:
LoL doesn't have a Dendi, even SC2 never had someone who had Dendi's levels of simultaneous skill and popularity. He's really one of a kind in esports and probably my favorite stream to watch, even though I'm much less familiar with DotA than LoL and Sc2.

On July 16 2013 06:05 superstartran wrote:



Chaox reached 30k viewers before I think after he got kicked off TSM. He also received tons of donation money literally within 10 minutes of being kicked. And other League pros regularly pull anywhere from 5k-20k viewers depending on their popularity.





Yeah but it's pretty silly to argue that they don't have more viewers than Dendi when they clearly do on a regular and consistent basis. If Dendi streamed all the time, I'm not sure if he would be pulling 20k viewers like other streamers do.

On July 16 2013 06:10 TheYango wrote:

Who said they did?

Jalstar's original post was:

Which says the same thing I said.

On July 16 2013 05:47 PrinceXizor wrote:

i have yet to see a lol streamer with over 30-33k ever. so they can't even pull 2x dendi.

dota 2 post release is getting really good stream numbers and thats a positive. half of the total people watching lol right now are watching dota 2, and with how massive a stream culture lol has thats very exciting to see the numbers reflected for dota 2.

On July 16 2013 06:21 Kipsate wrote:
That was a 1v1 tournament for a spot in Allstars, thats not a personal stream so to speak but an event happening on a personal stream instead of someone mming.