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SilverStar
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden18511 Posts
July 10 2013 21:29 GMT
#65801
On July 11 2013 06:17 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2013 06:12 teapoted wrote:
On July 11 2013 06:10 Plansix wrote:
On July 11 2013 06:00 Reggiegigas wrote:
It's such an overwhelming issue with dota 2 in specific though, when it comes to the Russians. They are very stubborn about playing in english queue and not communicating in english.

It's just wrong. It's a failure on part of the game devs. I honestly think it ruins the game experience for many normal/casual gamers just trying to enjoy some dota. I always hear complaining about it when I talk to dota playing friends IRL. Always. Always. Always. Russians.

They should be able to do something. There has to be some kind of solution for this.

Unless valve has magic, they can't really do a lot about the issue. There is no way to know what language people speak or force them to a different server because of their region. I mean, they could just say "No NA server for you", but that wouldn't stop you from playing with people in NA that don't speak english.

Only let people pick one. "can't really do a lot about the issue" is just silly. There are a thousand things they could do. They all have drawbacks. But are the drawbacks that bad? I don't believe so.

They can limit server access, but that is about it. The rest gets into their weird racist territory where they start filtering by what language people speak.

Guild wars did language filtering an it pretty much killed the game for me..
crms
Profile Joined February 2010
United States11933 Posts
July 10 2013 21:29 GMT
#65802
On July 11 2013 04:39 TheYango wrote:
How the hell do you fix it? It's not like you can block Russian IPs from queuing for English language because that would prevent Russian players who legitimately want to and do play in English from doing so.

The only solution I can think of is moving the Russian servers from Sweden to somewhere actually in Russia so Russian players actually get better ping to Russia than EU, rather than them being pretty much the same.



I've actually had direct discussion with Eric Tams, a valve dev who works on matchmaking and his philosophy is faster queue times for less balanced games is preferred over longer queue for a more balance game. I think this is the biggest fundamental problem in the matchmaker. I'd gladly wait another 1-2m between games to have a better chance at a balanced game.

I should dig out our old logs from the dev boards, I sent him over 50 replay ids and he went through them all with various feedback. He actually implemented a change based on the replays I sent him! What he did, I'll never know just that he made an 'adjustment'.
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Reggiegigas
Profile Joined August 2010
234 Posts
July 10 2013 21:30 GMT
#65803
On July 11 2013 06:12 teapoted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2013 06:10 Plansix wrote:
On July 11 2013 06:00 Reggiegigas wrote:
It's such an overwhelming issue with dota 2 in specific though, when it comes to the Russians. They are very stubborn about playing in english queue and not communicating in english.

It's just wrong. It's a failure on part of the game devs. I honestly think it ruins the game experience for many normal/casual gamers just trying to enjoy some dota. I always hear complaining about it when I talk to dota playing friends IRL. Always. Always. Always. Russians.

They should be able to do something. There has to be some kind of solution for this.

Unless valve has magic, they can't really do a lot about the issue. There is no way to know what language people speak or force them to a different server because of their region. I mean, they could just say "No NA server for you", but that wouldn't stop you from playing with people in NA that don't speak english.

Only let people pick one. "can't really do a lot about the issue" is just silly. There are a thousand things they could do. They all have drawbacks. But are the drawbacks that bad? I don't believe so.

Yes. Simply letting things go off is a poor showing from valve imo, for the reasons I outlined. They should recognize it's an issue, at least.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
July 10 2013 21:32 GMT
#65804
Thing is with your kind is that even if they could magically remove the russians there will be new "russians" you will complain about.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
July 10 2013 21:36 GMT
#65805
On July 11 2013 06:07 Erasme wrote:
then go play LoL ? i lurk a lot in LoL gd and they dont seem to complain about russians
superior moba ftw

That's because LoL separates regions. Russian and EUW have 2 different clients.

teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
July 10 2013 21:38 GMT
#65806
On July 11 2013 06:29 SilverStar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2013 06:17 Plansix wrote:
On July 11 2013 06:12 teapoted wrote:
On July 11 2013 06:10 Plansix wrote:
On July 11 2013 06:00 Reggiegigas wrote:
It's such an overwhelming issue with dota 2 in specific though, when it comes to the Russians. They are very stubborn about playing in english queue and not communicating in english.

It's just wrong. It's a failure on part of the game devs. I honestly think it ruins the game experience for many normal/casual gamers just trying to enjoy some dota. I always hear complaining about it when I talk to dota playing friends IRL. Always. Always. Always. Russians.

They should be able to do something. There has to be some kind of solution for this.

Unless valve has magic, they can't really do a lot about the issue. There is no way to know what language people speak or force them to a different server because of their region. I mean, they could just say "No NA server for you", but that wouldn't stop you from playing with people in NA that don't speak english.

Only let people pick one. "can't really do a lot about the issue" is just silly. There are a thousand things they could do. They all have drawbacks. But are the drawbacks that bad? I don't believe so.

They can limit server access, but that is about it. The rest gets into their weird racist territory where they start filtering by what language people speak.

Guild wars did language filtering an it pretty much killed the game for me..

rofl
explain please, this seems so incredibly ridiculous
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Reggiegigas
Profile Joined August 2010
234 Posts
July 10 2013 21:39 GMT
#65807
On July 11 2013 06:32 Numy wrote:
Thing is with your kind is that even if they could magically remove the russians there will be new "russians" you will complain about.

I never said I wanted russians to be magically removed. I just want the matchmaking to function at least decently, so that when I choose english language I can expect to get english speakers in the match. I think that's being very, very reasonable. Sure, no matchmaking is perfect, but this particular issue comes up all the time, meaning there's something wrong with the system and in how users use it.

I have every confidence in Valve's ability to do something about it, they have rarely failed to deliver.
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
July 10 2013 21:42 GMT
#65808
as numy said, you most likely dont recognize your mistakes and blame your team. And talking about it here won't change anything, go to the dev forums.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
July 10 2013 21:45 GMT
#65809
On July 11 2013 06:29 crms wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2013 04:39 TheYango wrote:
How the hell do you fix it? It's not like you can block Russian IPs from queuing for English language because that would prevent Russian players who legitimately want to and do play in English from doing so.

The only solution I can think of is moving the Russian servers from Sweden to somewhere actually in Russia so Russian players actually get better ping to Russia than EU, rather than them being pretty much the same.



I've actually had direct discussion with Eric Tams, a valve dev who works on matchmaking and his philosophy is faster queue times for less balanced games is preferred over longer queue for a more balance game. I think this is the biggest fundamental problem in the matchmaker. I'd gladly wait another 1-2m between games to have a better chance at a balanced game.

I should dig out our old logs from the dev boards, I sent him over 50 replay ids and he went through them all with various feedback. He actually implemented a change based on the replays I sent him! What he did, I'll never know just that he made an 'adjustment'.

Actually DotA2 has one of the longest queue time among all the competitive games out there. Given such a dominating player pool size, what we have right now is already pushed to the limit. A lot of reviews from gaming news site on dota2 said that the search time is quite a turn off even though they didnt go too much into detail.

And personally, i agree with the idea of having faster queue over accuracy. It will carter the game toward casual gamers more plus given the avg game length is roughly 35-45 mins, saving search time is a huge plus. A broken game is, for most people, better than having no game to play. With that said, they need to come up with systems that assist competitive gamers more. An easy step would be just implementing IH league system that is similar to ixDL but im sure they have better goals than all that.
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Reggiegigas
Profile Joined August 2010
234 Posts
July 10 2013 21:47 GMT
#65810
On July 11 2013 06:42 Erasme wrote:
as numy said, you most likely dont recognize your mistakes and blame your team. And talking about it here won't change anything, go to the dev forums.

I'm not blaming anyone? What are you even talking about?

And yeah, sure.
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-10 22:01:22
July 10 2013 22:00 GMT
#65811
Honestly at this stage it doesnt matter it was russian/troll or whatever, it was purely because more players joined in, mm failed to adjust the balance and then making games mostly one sided.

The bigger problems with dota2 MM games:
1)Cute players who randomed/picked X hero that he never play or couldn't play at high level -> proceed to derp.
best example: your typical noob mid, 'ya sure this is my first time playing this hero lets go mid and i expect to own'.
2)Selfish player who picked/randomed supprortive heroes but not buying cour/ward and go farm/derp around when team needed them/takingfighting resources with the core heroes.
best example: people who made me to produce that 'how to play support' guide.
3)Asshole players who purposely ruin the games by playing X hero but playing very badly/do a new meta/troll build regardless what happened to the game.
best example: first pick hardcarry, couldnt even last hit, wasting all the freefarming that the team bought him or go for totally retarded items, wasting all the effort of the team. support NA with 30mins dagon etc.

None of the above matters if we are still playing bnet/garena because noobs are everywhere anyway, but dota2 mm artificially making sure there is no noobs in your game and hence if the better player got to play a hero who couldnt make any impact to the game, it would be autolose.

I have been consistently telling the team at the start that: 'team give me freefarm 8mins and i will win the game for you' when i play safelane carry, and it mostly turned out exactly like what i said. While i make sure i achieve that when i am not carrying, and i have seen enough disheartening shit where i made 15mins freefarm time for the carry and he went totally retarded items.

And guess who is usually ruining the game, your randomed ES who started with a QB and rush to safelane, and if you clicked on his profile you will see that he has more than 1k wins. Dota2 MM, best.

Ohboy another rant on the MM >_< hopefully when i come back next time mm would be improved #0expectation.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
July 10 2013 22:04 GMT
#65812
death knight is here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=420855#1
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
July 10 2013 22:06 GMT
#65813
fucking power goes out in my apartment the day abbadon comes out. awesome.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
Cool Cat
Profile Joined June 2009
United States1644 Posts
July 10 2013 22:13 GMT
#65814
On July 11 2013 07:00 BurningSera wrote:
Honestly at this stage it doesnt matter it was russian/troll or whatever, it was purely because more players joined in, mm failed to adjust the balance and then making games mostly one sided.

The bigger problems with dota2 MM games:
1)Cute players who randomed/picked X hero that he never play or couldn't play at high level -> proceed to derp.
best example: your typical noob mid, 'ya sure this is my first time playing this hero lets go mid and i expect to own'.
2)Selfish player who picked/randomed supprortive heroes but not buying cour/ward and go farm/derp around when team needed them/takingfighting resources with the core heroes.
best example: people who made me to produce that 'how to play support' guide.
3)Asshole players who purposely ruin the games by playing X hero but playing very badly/do a new meta/troll build regardless what happened to the game.
best example: first pick hardcarry, couldnt even last hit, wasting all the freefarming that the team bought him or go for totally retarded items, wasting all the effort of the team. support NA with 30mins dagon etc.

None of the above matters if we are still playing bnet/garena because noobs are everywhere anyway, but dota2 mm artificially making sure there is no noobs in your game and hence if the better player got to play a hero who couldnt make any impact to the game, it would be autolose.

I have been consistently telling the team at the start that: 'team give me freefarm 8mins and i will win the game for you' when i play safelane carry, and it mostly turned out exactly like what i said. While i make sure i achieve that when i am not carrying, and i have seen enough disheartening shit where i made 15mins freefarm time for the carry and he went totally retarded items.

And guess who is usually ruining the game, your randomed ES who started with a QB and rush to safelane, and if you clicked on his profile you will see that he has more than 1k wins. Dota2 MM, best.

Ohboy another rant on the MM >_< hopefully when i come back next time mm would be improved #0expectation.

ehehe i'm cute :3
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
July 10 2013 22:14 GMT
#65815
dota2 noob here, but can someone clarify the matchmaking system while i wait to install the game? I looked around liquipedia and did a quick search but can't get very much information about the MM system, a ladder, or ranking system that players can somehow see how good they are.
Gheizen64
Profile Joined June 2010
Italy2077 Posts
July 10 2013 22:24 GMT
#65816
On July 11 2013 07:14 JiYan wrote:
dota2 noob here, but can someone clarify the matchmaking system while i wait to install the game? I looked around liquipedia and did a quick search but can't get very much information about the MM system, a ladder, or ranking system that players can somehow see how good they are.


There isn't anyone good at this game. We're all bad, and so Valve to not hurt players sensibilities don't show exactly how bad you are.
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trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
July 10 2013 22:25 GMT
#65817
On July 11 2013 07:14 JiYan wrote:
dota2 noob here, but can someone clarify the matchmaking system while i wait to install the game? I looked around liquipedia and did a quick search but can't get very much information about the MM system, a ladder, or ranking system that players can somehow see how good they are.


The only way to tell if you're decent is to look at the first 5-10 pages of live games and see if you're there consistently. There is currently no ladder or visible MM score.
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-10 22:35:25
July 10 2013 22:34 GMT
#65818
[image loading]

New icons. Dark Seer's seem a bit.. ambiguous.
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34507 Posts
July 10 2013 22:40 GMT
#65819
Vacuum could be better but I like the others. Dragon knight's ult apparently turns him into jakiro.
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teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
July 10 2013 22:42 GMT
#65820
I thought surge was vacuum because it looks like it's sucking things in. Others are good. DK's look badass.
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