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Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-20 11:09:29
June 20 2013 11:06 GMT
#62681
and 'how to lane' is what i described ... ?
I feel we have a different idea on what to teach new people, lets move on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
June 20 2013 11:07 GMT
#62682
On June 20 2013 19:51 solidbebe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 19:44 PrinceXizor wrote:
On June 20 2013 19:15 Incze wrote:
I think sniper is a pretty bad choice for the tutorial, since he has only 1 active until 6, so it might get quite boring.

I was thinking last night and I came up with an idea. What if Valve could implement some kind of system that increased the chance to queue you with people from the same country, so even if russians queued on US W for example, they'd get an all russian game. This might work much better after the game is released and there are a lot of players online, so there shouldn't be a huge skill disparity between players.
What do you think about this?

if people cross queuing is bad, people want region lock, but that stupid compared to the elegant solution:

When you queue for multiple servers at once it prioritizes the one with the smallest ping. so if a russian queues for everything they get russia server before US/EUW and if a chinese queues everythign they get china/sea before rus. ect ect. it allows cross region play (just queue for the server you want to play on) while also weeding out the people who just queue every server

What tells you this isn't already the case?

right now you tend to end up in the server that has the most people looking for games at the time, you can see this by queuing for everything at peak hours for yourself and then peak hours for another continent. almost every game will be where there are peak hours.
Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
June 20 2013 11:10 GMT
#62683
On June 20 2013 19:41 cecek wrote:
This is what differentiates CDEC from ix-dl (and eastern leagues from western in general):
Show nested quote +
No. First of all, we have costs of our own invested into all this. If this kind of thing was easy, then we wouldn’t be the only remaining league like this. We’ve hired a programmer full-time to support our endeavors in this, we have our own software for the league, and we also need testing for the software. We also have people working full-time in organizational and moderation efforts for CDEC, and we have server rental costs, as well as prize money for participants.


source: http://dotaland.net/2013/06/20/more-cdec-details-stream-links-future-league-direction-etc/

Quite an interesting read.


I mean to be fair to mike he's doing this out of his own spare time and has zero organizational backing. CDEC is operated by one of the most respected figures in Chinese Dota with the backing of all of its biggest teams. ixdl isn't some grand scheme to re-energise the Western competitive scene like CDEC is. Its just a nice program that mike whipped up pro bono.

All that said, its great to see the ambition Ruru has with CDEC, looks like they are going to be doing a lot of cool things with it. Maybe if western team orgs could collaborate on such an endeavour.
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
June 20 2013 11:15 GMT
#62684
I think they should have used Lion instead of Sniper for the mid tutorial.
Lion is a decent mid laner, but Sniper just flat out sucks.
anonymitylol
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada4477 Posts
June 20 2013 11:33 GMT
#62685
Danil Ishutin ‏@DendiBoss 8m
muted in chat for 48 hours for nothing ! great system

rofl
gold on my wrist phone in my pocket
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10953 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-20 11:48:41
June 20 2013 11:38 GMT
#62686
On June 20 2013 19:53 Erasme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 19:37 Velr wrote:
On June 20 2013 19:24 Erasme wrote:
On June 20 2013 19:04 Velr wrote:
On June 20 2013 18:38 Erasme wrote:
beastmaster



Awesome idea...
A hero that (theoretically) has to micro two extra Units or skills an aura that does not really help in lane with a decent Nuke and in general is pretty much defined by his Ultimate.
That would teach what exactly? How to bottle crow? How to not give a fuck and get lvl 6 asap?




That would teach how to play mid. You have a strenght hero, not dependant on wards, that can push the lane to get the rune. I would suggest you to play some.



Have you ever played with REAL "beginners" since you are decent/good/awesome?

I know that BM is strong and also like to play him from time to time (but mostly as dire offlane). But have you ever seen what happens in a ranged vs melee "mid" at the newb level?

I have.. DON'T LET IT HAPPEN (still got traumata from these few games with my friends that never played a moba before :p).... There will allways be a Viper in game, because Viper is a "sick easy win imba hero"... You don't want to be a melee hero vs Viper in mid.

Seriously, i think you forget HOW bad real newbies (the ones that really need tutorials) actually are. I guess there is a reason Valve took a hero like Sniper with only 1 active before 6. Beastmaster is insanely bad in the newb Meta because pretty much no one will follow up on Gank/Initiation (even if you tellt hem via teamspeak + chat + ping). and the Hawk will be useless because they don't have the time to watch the minimap or don't react to it anyway...


Btw: Thinking of it now.. Thinker would actually have been a pretty "fun" hero for a mid tutorial... 3 pretty straightforward spells, decent animation. Actually usefull at about every skill-level AND he actually is mainly played as a mid hero.

Yes I did. You forget that tutrial are for people that look to get better. Playing mid sniper isnt going to make u better. Beastmaster is the archetype of a mid hero.


A Tutorial is for people that have no fucking clue about anything... Pushing a lane before going for a rune (and bottling in general), trying to stall your lane and all that stuff is pretty advanced.
You find people with over 500 wins that never ever tried or even heard of "stalling" a lane (while playing mainly hardcarries), as supports they just pull because they saw it with no clue about why and worse "when" to do it... A Tutorial sure as hell is not for people with over 150 games and there are people with over 1000 that never heard of some of the stuff you describe (i was kinda mindboggled when i realised this while playing with an ingame friend ^^)...

What you want/imagine are (very) advanced ingame guides... That has nothing to do with a tutorial.


I'm all for BM-Mids in general, but calling him a "typical" mid hero is really stretching it... Id give that to Qop, Storm, TA, Puck and the likes...


But ok, lets let it rest
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
June 20 2013 11:39 GMT
#62687
On June 19 2013 06:53 Shaella wrote:
i followed the spirit breaker advice

SPIRITS = BROKEN
LOSS STREAK = BROKEN

Also i had a hillarious amount of fun charging around the map, i didn't realize the buff was as good as it was, but it is man

I remember pre buff I had a rhasta game, where the enemy SB just charged me every single time I was in vision, and I just died every single time. Basically I could not go out of my base :D I had no bkb, he had one, nothing I could do.
Locke-
Profile Joined December 2011
499 Posts
June 20 2013 11:42 GMT
#62688


Team MVP is preparing a Dota 2 team.
PrinceXizor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States17713 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-20 11:47:15
June 20 2013 11:46 GMT
#62689
On June 20 2013 20:39 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2013 06:53 Shaella wrote:
i followed the spirit breaker advice

SPIRITS = BROKEN
LOSS STREAK = BROKEN

Also i had a hillarious amount of fun charging around the map, i didn't realize the buff was as good as it was, but it is man

I remember pre buff I had a rhasta game, where the enemy SB just charged me every single time I was in vision, and I just died every single time. Basically I could not go out of my base :D I had no bkb, he had one, nothing I could do.

Did you try to ward trap yourself? so when he charges you he gets ward trapped as well and if he ults you he stays trapped and you escape.
Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-20 11:59:42
June 20 2013 11:59 GMT
#62690
On June 20 2013 20:42 Locke- wrote:
https://twitter.com/Dota2KR_Voice/status/347622305561731072

Team MVP is preparing a Dota 2 team.

Posted a couple pages back

On June 20 2013 20:33 anonymitylol wrote:
Danil Ishutin ‏@DendiBoss 8m
muted in chat for 48 hours for nothing ! great system

rofl

That system is pretty ridiculous to be fair.
https://soundcloud.com/papercranesdk
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10953 Posts
June 20 2013 12:05 GMT
#62691
On June 20 2013 20:39 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2013 06:53 Shaella wrote:
i followed the spirit breaker advice

SPIRITS = BROKEN
LOSS STREAK = BROKEN

Also i had a hillarious amount of fun charging around the map, i didn't realize the buff was as good as it was, but it is man

I remember pre buff I had a rhasta game, where the enemy SB just charged me every single time I was in vision, and I just died every single time. Basically I could not go out of my base :D I had no bkb, he had one, nothing I could do.


I remember the first time i encountered Tusk when i played Rashta.
To add insult to injury the Tusk had his best friend Centaur with him.

LEAST FUN GAME EVER... See Tusk -> Die -> repeat and repeat and repeat.


So tusk became instantly my most hated hero :D.
NB
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Netherlands12045 Posts
June 20 2013 12:11 GMT
#62692
http://www.twitch.tv/myCDEC

u know what it is.... im not a big fan of TPL casters though.
Im daed. Follow me @TL_NB
Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
June 20 2013 12:15 GMT
#62693
On June 20 2013 21:11 NB wrote:
http://www.twitch.tv/myCDEC

u know what it is.... im not a big fan of TPL casters though.

Blaze? ahhhhhhhhh..................... what a waste
https://soundcloud.com/papercranesdk
Yoshi-
Profile Joined October 2008
Germany10227 Posts
June 20 2013 12:20 GMT
#62694
And another abandon, lightning killed my isp cant get into internet
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
June 20 2013 13:02 GMT
#62695
On June 20 2013 21:20 Yoshi- wrote:
And another abandon, lightning killed my isp cant get into internet


Dat Zeus ulti so OP. Hits you IRL. Nerf please.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
June 20 2013 13:57 GMT
#62696
On June 20 2013 21:11 NB wrote:
http://www.twitch.tv/myCDEC

u know what it is.... im not a big fan of TPL casters though.

I like Vykro, he's a decent caster IMO.

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cheeseosaur
Profile Joined September 2012
Australia134 Posts
June 20 2013 14:07 GMT
#62697
Does anyone know if fountain-hook comboes are still possible?
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
June 20 2013 14:07 GMT
#62698
On June 20 2013 23:07 cheeseosaur wrote:
Does anyone know if fountain-hook comboes are still possible?


it was last week.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
teapoted
Profile Joined August 2012
United Kingdom24425 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-20 14:10:14
June 20 2013 14:08 GMT
#62699
On June 20 2013 22:57 Comeh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2013 21:11 NB wrote:
http://www.twitch.tv/myCDEC

u know what it is.... im not a big fan of TPL casters though.

I like Vykro, he's a decent caster IMO.

...
I prefer Vyk to all the other analytical non-player casters. Maybe not GoDz, but he doesn't cast much anymore.
Once you Goblak...
Klonere
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Ireland4123 Posts
June 20 2013 14:12 GMT
#62700
even draskyl?
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