General Discussion - Page 3086

On June 13 2013 17:55 NB wrote:
Man, i wish there is someone casting these CDEC games in english, the game quality is generally pretty high with some creative pick.

On June 13 2013 18:04 yyfpulls wrote:

how do you watch CDEC?

On June 13 2013 18:18 TheYango wrote:
Can also watch streams on yy.com. There's often at least one CDEC player streaming (longdd, zexbingo, etc.).

On June 13 2013 18:20 NB wrote:
its quite clear that the state of sc2 in korea has been worsen gradually since Kespa switched to sc2. Most of the things you heard from people there are already censored/lighten to a certain extent since their career depends on your support and no one want to support a dead game. If you cant tell from the past, tastosis start casting/playing WoT should be able to tell the story clear enough.

what is putting me in wonder is with 1.7 mil, Nexon could pretty much top out Riot in the domestic scene money power. So they do have the position to pick which broadcaster company to go for etc... Given the production level in China, im really curious what kinda quality should we be expecting in the next few weeks.


DotATV is more accessible than yy.com for most people. I have quite some lag using that site. Im thinking that we could make a chat channel in game, like CDEC_ENG or something. Then people could sub to the chat channel and we could use it while watching ingame. Wat u think?

On June 13 2013 17:32 NB wrote:

there are up and down side. GOM caters the world audience much better than OGN meanwhile OGN is much more loved in Korea. Obviously the big target overall is still the world audience and GSL title worth much more world wide compare to OSL/MSL right now, the decision of blizzard to backing OGN instead of GOM do no good but harm the pro scene overall. If GOM end up dropping sc2 completely one day, ESF will die with them and everything will go back to Kespa format, the global view into the Korean scene will also be hurt.

tbh, i think picking up world of tank and DotA2 is incredibly smart move from GOM. It put pressure back on Blizzard on their value plus giving them good back up plan. GOM has always been the one that pick up new contents first in the Korean scene so we will see how this turn out compare to LoL on OGN.

On June 13 2013 18:25 TheYango wrote:

My point of view is the opposite.

Sustainability is the highest priority. Particularly given that Valve has shown to be more hands-off when managing tournaments than Riot or Blizzard. This means that it's not international viewership that Nexon should be concerned with when selecting their broadcast platform. Local viewership is of prime importance because it's what gets sponsors.

IMO if DotA 2 doesn't find its way onto OGN, it doesn't have a competitive future in Korea, and Koreans I've talked to share this opinion. The market is too crowded in Korea, especially if this standalone Chaos game actually becomes something (for those that don't know, Chaos was actually the dominant AoS map for WC3 in Korea, not DotA).

On June 13 2013 18:52 Kipsate wrote:
SC2 isn't neccesarily ''dying''(it was never big in the first place) in Korea, GOM/GOM's SC2 is.

On June 13 2013 19:07 NB wrote:

i think that is a huge part of sc2 though. Gom holds the top of ESF teams and is the only tournament where you dont need to be a kespa pro to participate. Overall GOM also holds a great influence to the foreign scene. If anything, the wcs number clearly prove that artosis solo casting brought roughly the same number as OGN expensive production. If GOM.sc2 fail, it will subsequently create a domino effect which can only be good for LoL, WoT and DotA2 in term of market share. At this point, i rather watch Tastosis cast WoT than listening to snm+whipsplash casting PL(i personally like both of those guys as TL-ers) and im pretty sure a lot of others would agree.

On June 13 2013 18:32 NB wrote:

yes dota2 isnt a guarantee success, especially in the market that is mostly saturated with LoL while having little to nothing history with dota1. However the 1.7 mil did blown me away together with my previous doubts.

Notice that there is no way these money coming from Valve. To valve Korea is not that main target market to invest more than what they are having for The International. These money is coming from nexon, a veteran player on the block who know the market well and willing to invest. We are looking at a completely different story since Nexon IS the new Riot/Blizzard.

edit: new CDEC game is up, trace the LGD.cn #1 player.

On June 13 2013 18:28 PrinceXizor wrote:
Yango i disagree. I don't think dota 2 needs to be on OGN. it needs to be in the PC bangs more. If Dota is equal to LoL in the PC bangs it'll be fine.

On June 13 2013 19:21 fleeze wrote:

definately agree. if GOM dies the sc2 scene in korea would take a huge blow. i don't understand why OGN should be responsible for dota2 success in korea. sc2 existed only on GOM too in korea before KeSPA switched and i'd argue it was more healthy without KeSPA and OGN.
also: i don't trust companys that put so much effort into LoL. it has always ended in a huge controversy when both titles were supposed to be played in one tournament. tencent is a bitch and we already know there are exclusivity agreements in China. why should it be different in korea where LoL is already big? do dota on OGN supporters really think they would hype up a direct competitor to their LoL streams? i don't see this happening ever and therefore dota2 on OGN would hinder growth in korea, not support it. other companys will put way more effort into dota which will help grow the local scene.

my opinion as an international viewer on OGN:
OGN production of the international stream is total garbage and has always been. OSL is unwatchable with those casters and the production value doesn't even exist. WCS (the WORLD FINALS) on OGN was trash as well, even though they got Day[9] and Apollo. the local WCS Korea produced by GOM was vastly superior.

On June 13 2013 20:28 hooahah wrote:
because it's too similar to LoL? are they raging about the 'Care' ping too?